> Following a Madhab (help me understand)

[Anwaar]

Can you help me understand about madhabs?

ok some poeple say that we don't have to follow madhabs.. And some say that if you don't follow a madhab then your a salaafi?

My question is do we have to follow a madhab? if we don't then why do people do? All madhabs are right yeh? then why can't we follow all 4 madhabs? plus if you decide to follow a madhab then you can't avoid what other madhabs say about ceartin topics... then whats the need in following a madhab in the first place.

We all know that all madhabs are correct why do we have this conflict between muslims where they don't accept what other madhabs say? "i am an hanafi sorry i don't accept what shafiee has" ....

My main question is if i decide to not follow a madhab would this be wrong? and if someone is little of knowledge are they adviced to follow a madhab?
You see i am person still learning about islam and i have very basic knowledge and i wouldn't want to follow a madhab blindly.

I hope i haven't said anything wrong and that my thoughts are not from shaytaan.

[salman]

I will try to answer your specific questions sometime later, insha'Allah, or you can wait for others to respond. However, most of your questions have been already covered in a long thread on this subject. So please spend some time reading through All about following a Madhab and taqleed

[Aayah]

I don't think that my post will be any useful to you sis, but in general there is no madhab better than the other. All of them are right, and every Imam of the four school was mujtahid in his own way.
But we should not go and pick out the Rukhas "facilities...if that is the right English word" from each one. If you will follow a specific one then you should follow its rulings not to jump to the other one because you find ruling better or easier in a certain case and then go back to the first one when you are done with that ruling.

Am I right? Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think that I should read the link that the brother provided as well

[Anwaar]

Akhi salman i will take some time some day and read that thread inshallah jazakallah jannah.

Aayah- thats another point but i remember reading somewhere online that you can't refuse rulings for other madhabs and you should follow the ruling that has more evidence and is much easier for us :/ i duno know, I'll have a look at the thread the brother gave link to.

[Aayah]

^ yes dear sis not refuse, but don't chose and pick. I have to search about that as well

This is what I meant by following the Rukhas, you can read Arabic so here it is:

هل يستطيع المسلم تتبع الرخص في المذاهب؟ ولماذا الاختلاف بين الأئمة أصلا؟ وهل يختلفون في مصادر التشريع الأساسية؟

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه أما بعد:



فالرخص الشرعية الثابتة بالكتاب أو السنة لا باس بتتبعها والأخذ بها لقول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: "إن الله يحب أن توتى رخصه كما يحب أن تؤتى عزائمه" كما في صحيح ابن حبان عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه. وفي المسند عن ابن عمر قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "إن لله يحب أن تؤتى رخصه كما يكره أن تؤتى معصيته"، وهذه الرخص مثل القصر والفطر للمسافر، والمسح على الخفين والجبائر.

ومن الرخص الشرعية ما يجب الأخذ به كالأكل من لحم الميتة عند الضرورة وخوف الهلاك.

أما تتبع رخص المذاهب الاجتهادية والجري وراءها دون سبب من الأسباب المعتبرة فإنه يعد هروباً من التكاليف وهدماً لبنيان الدين، ونقضا لمقاصد الشرع المرعية في الأوامر والنواهي الشرعية. وقد اعتبر العلماء هذا العمل فسقاً لا يحل ارتكابه.

وحكى ابن حزم الإجماع على ذلك، وقال في الإحكام نقلاً عن سليمان التيمي: لو أخذت برخصة كل عالم اجتمع فيك الشر كله.

ونقل ابن تيمية عن ابن عبد البر أنه قال: (هذا إجماع لا أعلم فيه خلافاً) وقد روى عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في هذا المعنى ما ينبغي تأمله، فروى كثير بن عبد الله بن عمر وابن عوف المزنى عن أبيه عن جده قال: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: "إني لأخاف على أمتي من بعدي من أعمال ثلاثة، قالوا: وما هي يا رسول الله؟ قال: أخاف عليهم من زلة العالم، ومن حكم جائر، ومن هوى متبع".

وقال عمر: هل تعرف ما يهدم الإسلام؟ يهدم الإسلام زلة العالم، وجدال المنافق بالكتاب، وحكم الأئمة المعتلين.

وقال الإمام أحمد: لو أن رجلاً عمل بقول أهل الكوفة في النبيذ وأهل المدينة في السماع وأهل مكة في المتعة كان فاسقاً.

وقال الأوزاعي: من أخذ بنوادر العلماء خرج عن الإسلام.

والنقول في هذا الباب كثيرة جداً لا تكاد تحصى، والعلماء متفقون على مضمونها وإن اختلفت عباراتهم، وعلة ذلك عندهم أنه ما من عالم إلا وله زلة في مسألة لم يبلغه فيها الدليل أو أخطأ فهمه فيها الصواب. فمن تبع ذلك وأخذ به تملص من التكاليف الشرعية وزاغ عن جادة الحق وهو لا يدري.

فالعالم معذور مأجور، ومتبعه في ذلك بعدما يتبين له الحق مذموم مأزور. قال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية بعدما نقل كلاماً لابن المبارك في هذا المعنى: وهذا الذي ذكره ابن المبارك متفق عليه بين العلماء، فإنه ما من أحد من أعيان الأمة من السابقين الأولين ومن بعدهم إلاّ لهم أقوال خفيت عليهم فيها السنة، وهذا باب واسع لا يحصى، مع أن ذلك لا يحط من أقدارهم ولا يسوغ اتباعهم فيها. انتهى كلامه.

أما قول السائل: لماذا الاختلاف بين الأئمة أصلاً؟ وهل يختلفون في مصادر التشريع الأساسية؟ فالجواب أن الأئمة متفقون على أن مصادر التشريع كتاب الله وسنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم والإجماع والقياس، على خلاف بينهم في بعض أقسام هذا الأخير.

وأما الاختلاف الواقع بينهم في مسائل الفروع فهو طبيعي جداً ومن اطلع على مدارك الخلاف بينهم علم أنهم ما اختلفوا عن هوى، وإنما كان سبب اختلافهم أحد أمرين أساسين:


وعلى كل حالٍ فقد قرر أهل العلم أن اتفاق الأئمة حجة قاطعة واختلافهم رحمة واسعة. والله تعالى أعلم.

1- اختلاف فهمهم لمدلول النص الشرعي، وهذا طبيعي جداً لاختلاف فهوم الناس وما جبلهم الله سبحانه وتعالى عليه من التفاوت في المدارك والعقول.
2- التنازع في ثبوت النص وصلاحيته للاحتجاج إن لم يكن قرآناً أوحديثا متواترا ولله سبحانه في وقوع هذا النوع من الاختلاف حكم بالغة، ولولا ذلك لما حصل.

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[salman]

let us not confuse ourselves and others. Just go through the link I posted above and that should clarify most of questions, insha'Allah. However, few quick points:

the confusion regarding this issue is mostly among the laypeople on English forums. One of the key reasons for this confusion are the neo-salafiyyah, who say no one should follow any math-hab and the neo-traditionalists who say it is obligatory upon everyone to follow one math-hab. This fire is given more strength when laypeople on forums argue over this issue and force their jahil fatawas on others.

1 - sister Aayah, there is nothing wrong in picking and choosing from different mathaahab. Ami (common-folk, layperson) does not have a math-hab so he can ask any scholar he deems trustworthy. So when an ami seeks a fatwa from a mufti and he is not satisfied with answer then he can move to another mufti. Obiously, the mufti has to be a person of knowldge from Ahlus Sunnah and not following his desires and giving odd fatawas.

2 - The truth is not limited to just 4 mathaahab. Hence, we do not say that every single understanding of all 4 mathaahab is correct or they are correct in every single thing in their own way. There are weak and odd opinion in every math-hab and no man is free of mistakes. That is why throughout the history the scholars within each math-hab have went outside of their math-hab and made correct ijtihad - this is how the mathaahab have evolved. The common misunderstanding among the laypeople is that the final verdict of a math-hab is what the founder mujtahid imam (rahimahullah) said, which is not correct.

rest later, insha'Allah

[Aayah]

Originally Posted by salman

1 - sister Aayah, there is nothing wrong in picking and choosing from different mathaahab. Ami (common-folk, layperson) does not have a math-hab so he can ask any scholar he deems trustworthy. So when an ami seeks a fatwa from a mufti and he is not satisfied with answer then he can move to another mufti. Obiously, the mufti has to be a person of knowldge from Ahlus Sunnah and not following his desires and giving odd fatawas.

The Ulama had considered following and picking the Rukhas is fusq and not allowed. Because its considered as running away from the takalif and obligations and playing with the deen. Or maybe you thought that I am talking about something else, or maybe I misunderstood you wallahu A'alam

[salamfromrom]

salam a leikum

So when an ami seeks a fatwa from a mufti and he is not satisfied with answer then he can move to another mufti.

What exactly does that mean akhi? How can an absolute layman who knows 0 about islam decide what is right and wrong? I am a layman myself, but this seems to be a recipe for disaster.

If we have an islamic state in the future, and we implement shariah according to the understanding of scholars/madhabs ''X'' . What will then prevent the layman to refuse to adhere to the official rulings by claiming he follows a different interpretation (interpretation ''Y'' ) because the official interpretation is not satisfactory enough for him?

I know what you're saying and I agree with you, namely that we should not limit ourselves to one madhab needlessly. But as far as implementing this policy of inclusion of differing viewpoints in an islamic state , is this not a recipe for civil war? Next thing you know 10% of the population will claim they want nothing to do with the ''official'' interpretation because they prefer the shia opinions, another 10% ''prefer'' the sufis, another 10% prefer the modernists, another 10% prefer the Salafi Minority opinion, etc etc. This ''choose whichever fatwa appeals to you'' approach cannot work in a real state.(or can it?)

Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread, just my 2 cents.

Salam

[Sensationnz]

Sallam alikum

Sister,

you should not confuse yourself with all this. Anyway since you brought up the points I will try to help from my experience and knowledge, Inshallah.

My question is do we have to follow a madhab? if we don't then why do people do? All madhabs are right yeh? then why can't we follow all 4 madhabs? plus if you decide to follow a madhab then you can't avoid what other madhabs say about ceartin topics... then whats the need in following a madhab in the first place.

This is what explanation i got when i questioned a sheikh, by saying why is there diferences, which is right which is wrong madhab.

He said, how many ways are there to get 4?
.. I didnt really understand what he was saying..

but to make you understand here :

1+1+1+1=4
2+2=4
5-1=4
3+1=4
HE asked me which way is the correct way?

It all looks correct to me I said .
TO be specific, all these imams (rahimullah) were correct. The differences, are all the same in certain way. Please check hadith when you see big differences.

These four great imams were very knowledgeable. spent most of their life to find us a closer way to sunnah of mohammed (saw). Some may have different opinion, but all are correct.

We all know that all madhabs are correct why do we have this conflict between muslims where they don't accept what other madhabs say? "i am an hanafi sorry i don't accept what shafiee has" ....

They don`t want to, once you accept one madhab you must keep with that. Unless the madhab is off by a lot in fiqh, then you can check Hadith and compare it. And then you can reject the certain way of the Imam you chose that wasn`t going with Sunnah`s flow. All great imams (4) said this or something similar.

`Anything that goes against Quran and Sunnah reject it`

If you argue, on why not follow 4 imams? I can ask you a question also.
Can you listen to 4 songs on at the same time??

My main question is if i decide to not follow a madhab would this be wrong? and if someone is little of knowledge are they adviced to follow a madhab?
You see i am person still learning about islam and i have very basic knowledge and i wouldn't want to follow a madhab blindly.

As i quoted, before the 4(imams) are just a choice. Most of their life they spent on finding a closer way to fiqh of Rasulilah (saW). Having said that, you can be Hanifi
(like myself), but the certain stuff like saying `Bismillah` loud or quite in sallat you can check with authentic, (sahee) hadeeth And many other minor issue`s inshallah.



And allah knows best

wsallam

[Umm Sufyaan]

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