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Old 03-08-2008, 01:49 PM
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Alcohol: The Devil's Deadly Disease


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In the year 988 CE, Prince Vladimir, sovereign leader of Kievan Russia, opted for Orthodox Christianity as his state religion. Legend says his ambassadors were much more impressed with the gold and grandeur of Byzantine's cathedrals, especially Constantinople's Church of Santa Sophia (now Istanbul's Mosque of Haya Sofiya) than they were with the simple and austere d?r of the Islamic houses of worship (i.e. the mosques) in nearby Volga Bulgaria. But another, more telling reason for the Russian Prince's favoring Christianity over Islam was, so the chroniclers tell us, the Russians' love of alcohol. The Muslims' absolute abstention from liquor was a sacrifice too far for Vladimir's countrymen to make. Alas, it would appear that their insatiable thirst for a "good" drink, particularly vodka, has plagued the Russian nation ever since.

According to a report published in the year 2000 [1], a staggering two thirds of Russian men die drunk and more than half of that number die in extreme stages of alcoholic intoxication.


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Topic about alcohol is haram or halal had became debates many times.

One part said alcohol is absolutely haram.

Another party said only specific kind of alcohol is haram.
Kham'r (alcoholic beverages) is a kind of haram alcohol. But other kinds of alcohol that used for fuel or for industrial necessities is not haram, as long as Muslim doesn't drink this 'not haram' alcohol.
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^like many perfumes and sterilizers do contain Alcohol on its ingredients. As for the part who said that its absolutely haram, they proved the fatwa from the verse at Surah Al Ma'edah:90 which says: "O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed." that its forbidden came from its un-purity or najasah in Arabic (which translated in the Aayah as infamy), so putting on perfumes that contain Najasahs is haram so its not only the affect that it cause to the mind but only its un-purity...waAllahu A'alam

read more Here.....sorry the page is in Arabic I tried to summarized it in the above explanation.
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Alcohol for drinking is absolutely haram.

However, according to Ulama in my place, other kinds of alcohol that not for used in body is halal. In example, alcohol based fuel for car or stove, or some cleaner that contain alcohol.

And about alcohol that used on body like in perfume or cosmetics, these are two different opinions. One say haram, another say makrooh. And no one say absolutely halal. But all Ulama agree, ummah must avoid use alcohol on body.
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Have a look at these, insha'Allah:
Cosmetic products that contain alcohol
Mouthwashes containing alcohol
Medicine containing alcohol
Ruling on perfumes containing alcohol
Buying alcohol for fuel
I will double check the issue of using alcohol for fuel, cleaners, etc. and Allah knows best
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Thanks for the links, akhee. But honestly, that's confused me.

I avoid use mouthwash that contains alcohol because I thought that haram. But in that link I read that is halal because not intoxicating.
And I often use spirit stove because I thought that is halal, but in that link I read alcohol fuel is haram.

By the way, thanks for your reply. Jazak allah khair.
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Salam

I would prefer to be an alcoholic muslim rather than a non-muslim, in any case.
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Selam aleykum
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Buying alcohol for fuel
Is it permissible to buy alcohol (which is an intoxicant) to use it in a manner which will destroy it, such as using it for fuel (e.g., methylated spirits etc.) or for some manufacturing processes? Is it permissible to sell it to someone who one is certain will use it for such purposes?

Praise be to Allaah. Selling alcohol or any other intoxicant is haraam, and anyone who has any such thing in his possession has to destroy it and not sell it, because of the general meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“Help you one another in Al‑Birr and At‑Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression”[al-Maa'idah 5:2]
Seriously? Bio-ethanol which is used for fuel isn't even drinkable. I dunno know, the more fatwa's I read from Q&A the more suspicious I get of their reliability.

On another note though, the production of bio-ethanol out of produce takes from our food-production and is said to have contribute to recent food-shortages in 3rd world countries. Sure it's a cleaner source of energy to run your car on, but at the expense of someone's dinner.
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Selam aleykum

Seriously? Bio-ethanol which is used for fuel isn't even drinkable. I dunno know, the more fatwa's I read from Q&A the more suspicious I get of their reliability.

On another note though, the production of bio-ethanol out of produce takes from our food-production and is said to have contribute to recent food-shortages in 3rd world countries. Sure it's a cleaner source of energy to run your car on, but at the expense of someone's dinner.
1. while i half way agree with your sentitment on QnA, I don;t see where your speech on bio-ethenal has to do with the material you quoted.
2. bio ethanol may be cleanrer or not, but there are two major problems with it

a. it takes over a gallon of fuel in order for us to utilize one gallon of ethanol. In other words we are using more energy than we are getting out of it over this product

b. just as you said, the use of bio-ethanol comes from corn. When the government legislated the mandatory use of ehtanol, the world market for flour, rice, and chicken, among other things sky rocketed.

I remember a company who use to get a 50 pound bag of flour for 9 dollars all of a sudden had to pay 25 dollars for the same amount. the same with rice when it almost doubled. I think both us and the countries less technologically advanced suffered from this most stupid economic move of the decade (or one of the most stupid).

secondly, this move was based on a mirage, the scam of global warming

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Selam aleykum

Seriously? Bio-ethanol which is used for fuel isn't even drinkable. I dunno know, the more fatwa's I read from Q&A the more suspicious I get of their reliability.

On another note though, the production of bio-ethanol out of produce takes from our food-production and is said to have contribute to recent food-shortages in 3rd world countries. Sure it's a cleaner source of energy to run your car on, but at the expense of someone's dinner.


Akhee, I don't see anything wrong with that quoted fatwa. But I see a misunderstanding between the questioner and the scholar in IslamQA. It was happened because the questioner didn't explained if he asked about alcohol based fuel. I guess, the scholar assumed the questioner asked about buying alcohol beverages then burn it or use it for something. I think if the questioner asked in detail, I mean he explained what is bio-ethanol and can he uses it as fuel for motorized vehicle, the answer maybe different.

In my place, the popular alcohol fuel is 'blue spirit'. It is halal because it is considered as fuel not alcohol. And, no one drinks 'blue spirit' because it has colored blue and dangerous to consume by human.
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