> Question War: Who are the Non-Combatants?

[salamfromrom]

Salam

Maybe this question has been asked many times by many people, but I feel it has never received a satisfactory answer.

How involved can a person be in a conflict before he is liable for punishment from muslim fighters? Everyone knows that the enemy soldier cannot get on the battlefield before he is equipped, trained and supported in many ways by his community.

Basically , does the average taxpayer share enough responsibility that he can lawfully be killed according to the shariah?

Reading the following prompted me to ask this question:

Justifying his attacks on civilian targets, he states: “''We are at war and we look at the reality, and not at whether the population has weapons in their hands. We look at the reality of their participation in this war.

“ People who approve of Putin’s policies, people who pay their taxes for this war, people who send their soldiers to this war, priests who sprinkle holy water on them . . . How can they be innocent? They are just without weapons. Russian citizens are accomplices of this war, it just may be that they have no weapons in their hands. Peaceful people for us are those that don’t pay taxes for this war, people who don’t participate, and who speak against this war.''

Is there any truth to that?

salam

[al-boriqee]

No it's not

the munaafiq who said this is an enemy of islam and should be executed

I just what ibn uthaymeen and someone else said in the subject. They refuted this madness

one of the key criticisms against this kufr that he espoused is the fact that this kaafir somehow formed his opinion on the basis that the people in their country HAVE A CHOICE to pay their taxes. So either this dude is a dumb fool or he is a bonifide kaafir trying to hurt islam in the process

Asalamu alaikum

[salamfromrom]

Salam

Yes the one who said that was not right in the head and he admited it himself:

Despite the hardships, Basayev struck a defiant note. "The Chechen people are more dear to me than the rest of the world. You get that?" he said.

"I admit, I'm a bad guy, a bandit, a terrorist ... but what would you call them?" he said of the Russians. "If they are the keepers of constitutional order, if they are anti-terrorists, then I spit on all these agreements and nice words."

Basayev claimed responsibility for the 2004 school attack in which gunmen held more than 1,000 hostages for nearly three days in the Russian town of Beslan. The raid ended in gunfire and explosions, killing more 330 people, mostly children.

"It's not the children who are responsible," Basayev said. But he added: "Responsibility is with the whole Russian nation... If the war doesn't come to each of them individually, it will never stop in Chechnya."

Asked if a Belsan-type attack could occur again, Basayev said: "Of course ... As long as the genocide of the Chechen nation continues, as long as this mess continues, anything can happen."...

The problem is, and I'm sure you agree, that legitimate targets include not only soldiers on the battlefield, but also those who choose to work for the corporations directly involved in the war effort(Raytheon, Halliburton/KBR, Weapons makers, banking financiers).

I think you are right in that the ordinary taxpayer is trapped and has no real say in the actions of his government, but those who work for war-profiteering corporations should be fair game, no? This is what I was trying to figure out.

Salam and thank you for the contribution, sorry to bring up such a touchy subject again.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by salamfromrom

Salam

Yes the one who said that was not right in the head and he admited it himself:


The problem is, and I'm sure you agree, that legitimate targets include not only soldiers on the battlefield, but also those who choose to work for the corporations directly involved in the war effort(Raytheon, Halliburton/KBR, Weapons makers, banking financiers).

I think you are right in that the ordinary taxpayer is trapped and has no real say in the actions of his government, but those who work for war-profiteering corporations should be fair game, no? This is what I was trying to figure out.

Salam and thank you for the contribution, sorry to bring up such a touchy subject again.

yes of course. but working directly for a corporation involved in the war effort and merely paying taxes is like the heavens and the earth.

i feel towards the sentiments of our mujahideen in Chechnya but a problem that we have in our times is our disregard for going overboard on certain principles or points that causes for such catastrophic fatawas such as this to be passed.

im gonna see i I can refind what i rea on the topic just recently, i just forgot where it was

[salman]

I don't know about ordinary tax payers but I do know that in the shari'ah anyone who incites war against Muslims or supports it by any mean is not a non-combatant. and Allah knows best

the main thing is that these sorts of discussions among laypeople bring no benefit to them. the other thing we need to remember is that the blood and honour of our Muslim brothers and sisters should be more beloved and important to us than the kuffaar.

[salamfromrom]

yes of course. but working directly for a corporation involved in the war effort and merely paying taxes is like the heavens and the earth.

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to find out.

Salam a leikum

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by salamfromrom

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to find out.

Salam a leikum

that was actually not my words. I was merely quoting by memory of what one of the shaykhs had said.

[al-boriqee]

i havent found the exact location yet, but in the mean time, refer to this only pages 70 to 73 as it pertains to the actual topic

http://salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Awlaki.pdf

I'll see what i can post from other sources inshallah