> Amina Lawal's Story - a reminder for us!

[optimist]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

Brother u misconstrued my issue with the video. I wasn't talkin about someone specifically shootin the video, I was talkin about a video cam already in place like in a bank or something.

Salam,

Brother, sorry for this misunderstanding. You are coming up with imaginary things...a video already placed somewhere and recording an adultery may happen, in one case out of may be 500,000 cases....and the possibility is almost NIL. Such isolated exceptional cases will be dealt in an Islamic state through mutual consultation based on the principles in the Quran. According to me only if it is a clear live video watched by 4 eye witnesses that could be taken taken as an evidence. If any such video is available as a record, the opreator, or the first person who saw this video shall not be allowed to make it public. Don't come up with imaginary things in a logical discussion.

wassalam

[optimist]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

As for the issue of before the DNA was discovered then before it was pretty much a case of not even suspecting anything regarding the pregnancy or it was always claimed as being coerced I.e. Rape wallahulalim

Salam,

You are simply guessing without any proof or reasoning! If it was the case 'never suspecting adultery due to pregnancy' before DNA testing was discovered, you are saying charging a women for adultery due to pregnancy started only after DNA testing was discovered (smile). Anyhow, can you tell me how many sholars you will get to back up your "opinion" of DNA testing to punish an accused in a zina proceeding? It is just your opinion.

Sahih Al Bukhari vol.8.816, narrated by Ibn Abbas:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, 'We do not find the Verses of the Rajm (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,' and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajm be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajm, and so did we after him."


You further claim that if it is not "not suspecting anything regarding the pregnancy", "it was always claimed as being coerced I.e. Rape". Haha! If it was always claimed as being coerced and the 'suspected' woman is always released in a zina proceeding, why a woman should be charged for adultery due to pregnancy in the first place? You are coming up with strange reasonings!

wallahulalim

I do not expect from you any guessing!

Wassalam

[optimist]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

great. So she can fornicate as much much as she wants for the next seven years and whatever child becomes born on account of this lewdness, her ex-husband has to bear the burden. If I was the ex-husband, I would kill her myself (if she did it more than once).
Anyways
I had to review the entire idda section and actually the kitabu-talaq of Ibn Rushd and I was unable to remotely find anything about a seven year ex-spousal responsibility. I wonder from what pothole did this idea come about.

Salam,

Cool down brother......you are not 'allowed' to criticize different madhabs and their findings. The moment you question or object to these laws, you will be labelled as someone who does not believe in the Prophet. So please take care!

Wassalam

[al-boriqee]

This is what happens when I try to stay away from posting.
It is no wonder why my teacher has often stated that forums are truely a fitnah

when I get time ill respond inshallah

asalamu alaikum

[optimist]

Another abuse of human rights in the name of Islam. Beware of Allah's punishment!

BBC NEWS | Africa | Stoning victim 'begged for mercy'

Somalian rape victim, 13, stoned to death | World news | The Guardian

Somalia: Girl stoned was a child of 13

[salamfromrom]

Another abuse of human rights in the name of Islam. Beware of Allah's punishment!

bro, there will always be people who do not follow islam as (we believe) it should be followed. There are many minority opinions on any given subject(or worse, ignorant views), and not all of them are wisdom-filled. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, Life's not always fair.

salam

[salman]

Originally Posted by optimist

Salam,

Cool down brother......you are not 'allowed' to criticize different madhabs and their findings. The moment you question or object to these laws, you will be labelled as someone who does not believe in the Prophet. So please take care!

Wassalam

I am sorry bro but I have to burst on you for this despite the fact I want to be more gentle to you; however, you are displaying a lack of sincerity time after time with these sorts of statements.

Criticism and disagreement comes with following proper science and methodology and knowledge and not hawa. Are you even qualified to understand the reasons and evidences behind scholars statements and therefore rejects them? Why are you not following the Qur'an? Didn't Allah tell you to ask people of knowledge if you do not know? Why do you not remain silent, know your place and fear Allah? Please answer these questions.

Honestly, before telling others that they should fear of Allah's punishment, ya akhee we need to do the same, insha'Allah. You are not even close to the ankles of the scholars in terms of knowledge and you are criticizing them and interpreting the Shari'ah time after time despite I have told you not to do so.

As far the news you brought recently, none of them is clear what actually happened. The kuffaar are you telling this is what happened and others are saying something else. Obviously, the kuffaar have the agenda against Islam and it is better to remain silent when things are not clear than to choose an extreme side. Secondly, you reject the stoning hadd so whether it is done legitimatize or illegitimately it has not relevancy. So, what is the point? How come you only bring news when it has to do with "violation of human rights" because a shari hadd was applied, and you reject that shari hadd? What about the news of murders and suffering of your brothers and sisters? Are those not violation of human rights?

[optimist]

[QUOTE=salman;12003]
I am sorry bro but I have to burst on you for this despite the fact I want to be more gentle to you; however, you are displaying a lack of sincerity time after time with these sorts of statements.

Criticism and disagreement comes with following proper science and methodology and knowledge and not hawa. Are you even qualified to understand the reasons and evidences behind scholars statements and therefore rejects them? Why are you not following the Qur'an? Didn't Allah tell you to ask people of knowledge if you do not know? Why do you not remain silent, know your place and fear Allah? Please answer these questions. [QUOTE]

Salam,

Actually you have to burst out at brother Al Boriqee. In reaction to my post wherein I said Under the Maliki school of interpreting Shari'a law, if a woman is separated from her husband through death, divorce, or some other reason for as many as seven years and has a child during this period, the child is attributed to the husband, brother Al boriqee reacted as following;

"great. So she can fornicate as much much as she wants for the next seven years and whatever child becomes born on account of this lewdness, her ex-husband has to bear the burden. If I was the ex-husband, I would kill her myself (if she did it more than once)."

Against this comment I 'advised' him to be careful while criticizing Maliki law (which you calssify as people of knowledge)

wassalam