President Musharraf : The Right Leader?

[Acid]

Do you support the President of Pakistan President Musharraf? I support him as the leader yet I've been many opposition to my views which were very constructive.

I would like to hear your views so that I can know that if the person I am supporting is the right person which Islamically speaking is very important.


Cheers

[salman]

Wa'alaykum As-Salam akhi

no, I don't support him! He hurt Pakistan so badly! He helped the kufaar and caused death of many innocent people. He is a taghoot! He completely destroyed the inner culture, specifically Islamic culture.

[Acid]

Thanks for your reply. I agree that we have seen much bloodshed in our nation. But brother dont you think that to a great extent we ourself are responsible for it ? ..

We know since Allah spoke to us in His Glorious Books that The People of Book are never our friends and also told us that the only way for us to achieve success is to stick to His Religion.

There had been many sects in the name of politics and ethnicity which have done its best to hurt Pakistan. There are yet many people amongst innocent who used the name of Islam and Mujahid to their own benefits. The people who had once been the robbers and was a cause of unsocial activites with women when attacked now take the name of Islam and call them self as Mujahids.

In many areas of Pakistan Islam was taken wrongly. The development of schools , hospitals etc. was taken as an anti Islamic activites , the women were oppressed and kids were taught nothing apart from few cultural aspects again in the name of ISLAM which made them fearless of anyone and they are now perceived as fearless due to siknah of Allah SWT. The are where such people lived was considered as a dangerous area and indeed was. So now If they are to be bought to justify their actions then I dont think it should be an injustice to Islam.

All this activites has destroyed the name of Islam and caused a great social unrest above all. I remember our Muslims brothers during the time of earthquake few years back , how they took advantage of there transport facilities and increased the prices and robbed the dontations. This is not Islam!

I agree that Criminals shouldnt be blamed to Islam and as Muslim and thats what I am doing. We need to reconsider that are those who killed there own muslim brothers and created social unrest and when bought to justice say that they are Mujahid , but are they really or are they criminals ?

Coming to the recent Judicial crisis , I would prefer anyone to rule above us apart from A Muslim Justice who since years put innocent into jails and bribed criminals unto bail when thrown out of the Court for whatever reason . Suddenly all our judges seems to start liking the Justice of Nation when they were thrown out of courts!! Dont they remember that they came on the PCO which was created by a DICTATOR OF TIME! i.e. President Musharraf!. Yes , Why did they take an oath that time when it was on the hands of dictator ? Wasnt that a injustice? Isnt bringing justice to innocents and putting criminals inside a more justice then throwing the President out?

Indeed Allah spoke the truth , Prophet PBUH said that "Our deeds would be made ruler above us " .

In the end , this is just my perception with limited knowledge and I may well be wrong. And I only wish to present my views and not to attack anyone and If I am wrong then It would be my pleasure for ignorance is the worst of deed.

Best wishes

[salman]

Wa'alaykum As-Salam

I agree with you that it is our fault as Muslims that we are getting trashed all over the place and it is not only Pakistan that we are talking about. The whole ummah is in great pain and suffering due to the very reason that we went away from the deen. People let heretics hijacked the deen, continuing to follow them and refused to learn the correct Islam and in the end many hizb (parties) formed and fitnah rose among the ummah. Due to all this, we got corrupt leaders and they are equally responsible for this fitnah, loss and disunity--A Muslim killing another Muslim. The state of the ummah in every land is not going to improve until we decides to improve ourselves.

As far concerning the issue of jihad and jihadi parties, I'm not a scholar or student of knowledge, so I don't know weather their actions must be condemned or justified. As far as I know some of the contemporary scholars differ on this. However, one thing is clear that Islam doesn't allow suicide bombing or killing innocent civilians.

[Acid]

Assalam u alaikum

I agree with you . Obviously neither am I the scholar . But I've spent much of my time in Pakistan when I go on vacations and I've tried to interact with these People from a party called Tabligi Jammat. There actions are very wrong and not in accordance with the Laws of Islam . But as you know that they have an image of Muslim with them so I used to think that they are quite good people and an "Islamic party" but a closer looks tells different.

Islam doesnt tell us that the only thing we have in life is to wear a traditional Kurta Shalwar , and go Islamic sittings which according to me introduce many heretics for example the sects which exists.

That is the reason for my support to President although he broke the consititution of Pakistan but what good is he constitution if it fails to uphold the good of the society? When our judges took bribes from criminals did they break any Judicial rules of courts? Where was there Justice at those time?

Is not the fact that our nation supports and elects people who had been robbers and murderers who stole from our national treasury to send there son for education in West and raise them up as secular and disobident to Lord as leaders over us clear of our intentions ?


We have no right to blame our enemy to bomb our territories and send spys to our countries for we shouldnt expect a treat of mango shake and strawberry triffle to us. They are meant to be our enemies. We have opened gates for them to enter and cause her harm ourself.

It saddens me to see when amongst my own friends a person from other states of same country have sever hate for each other instead of love and mercy. Evil is what they do.

All Praise be to Allah who guide mankind and sent His Religion which is Perfect.

[salman]

Originally Posted by Acid

Assalam u alaikum

Wa'alaykum As-Salam

Originally Posted by Acid

I agree with you . Obviously neither am I the scholar . But I've spent much of my time in Pakistan when I go on vacations and I've tried to interact with these People from a party called Tabligi Jammat. There actions are very wrong and not in accordance with the Laws of Islam . But as you know that they have an image of Muslim with them so I used to think that they are quite good people and an "Islamic party" but a closer looks tells different.

Pakistan doesn't have any Islamic laws or the so called "Islamic Laws" are distorted version of shari'ah. So, I don't know what you really mean by that! I don't see any problems with TJ da'wah other than the 'aqeeda issues or fiqhi differences.

When I said that herectics hijacked our deen and caused disunity, I'm strictly sticking to the 'aqeeda issue.

Originally Posted by Acid

Islam doesnt tell us that the only thing we have in life is to wear a traditional Kurta Shalwar , and go Islamic sittings which according to me introduce many heretics for example the sects which exists.

Agreed, but Kurta Shalwar is more of Islamic address as it is loose and not tight like pants. So from Islamic perspective, I don't see a problem with what they have to say.

Originally Posted by Acid

That is the reason for my support to President although he broke the consititution of Pakistan but what good is he constitution if it fails to uphold the good of the society? When our judges took bribes from criminals did they break any Judicial rules of courts? Where was there Justice at those time?

regardless of the other issues, overall, Musharaf helped the kufaar and hurt the Muslim ummah hence he is taghoot and may Allah Ta'ala guide him and all of us, Ameen!

Originally Posted by Acid

We have no right to blame our enemy to bomb our territories and send spys to our countries for we shouldnt expect a treat of mango shake and strawberry triffle to us. They are meant to be our enemies. We have opened gates for them to enter and cause her harm ourself.

exactly, and our leaders like Musharaf are the one who helped the kufaar to occupy Muslim lands or gave them space to attack other Muslim nations or so called terrorists.

[Acid]

Agreed, but Kurta Shalwar is more of Islamic address as it is loose and not tight like pants. So from Islamic perspective, I don't see a problem with what they have to say

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I agree that Kurta Shalwar is more loose to wear , This doesnt rule out the possiblity that pant shirt is unislamic if its wear in the right form in anyway it doesnt make it any "non islamic dress" neither its a compulsion. Talbigh e Jammat thinks that such dress are of Kaafir and hence the Muslim wearing it is doing a sin. This is really a true case.

regardless of the other issues, overall, Musharaf helped the kufaar and hurt the Muslim ummah hence he is taghoot and may Allah Ta'ala guide him and all of us, Ameen!
exactly, and our leaders like Musharaf are the one who helped the kufaar to occupy Muslim lands or gave them space to attack other Muslim nations or so called terrorists

I agree that he allowed the Non Muslim to enter our land but how i see this as is that we spent all our time in materialistic and useless stuff . When we were killing each other , dividing ourself and hating muslims based on ethnticity and nationality and favouring the Muslims , where was the Islamic spirit ? Until recently Americans enjoyed a GOLDEN STATUS in Saudi society and all Muslims were inferiorly treated.Now thats not Islamic ... Thanks God to 9/11 which opened the eyes of our leader.

It were the Saudis who used the help of Britishers to drive Turk Muslims out of the Land . It was all this time when we should have given a thought about our future.

As far as Afghan war is concerned ( I may be 100% wrong ). The unfortunate thing is that the Afghans have always misinterpreted the Islam.Before the 9/11 What was Afghanistan? Just a mountainous place home to many fearless people and typically in Pakistan it was known that all smuggled cars and electronic good were the transaction which occured in Afgahnistan.

There was a time in Pakistan when there wasnt a single Cinema in pakistan. People used to go to Kabul to watch Indian Movies !! It was kinda luxorious place. This is Islamic ?

Allah has said that when we will indulge in such activites then he will sent above us a nation better then us .

There is a lot more to say about Lal Masjid and the disappearance of people from Pakistan which formed a part of Judicial Crises which I'll discuss in my next post .

, All Praise be to Allah who blesses His slaves day and night.

Best Wishes

[salman]

^bro, I understand your point that we Muslims as individuals let ourselves down but our leaders like Musharaf helped the kufaar too. Therefore, we need to improve ourselves on individual basis and we should never support the enemies of Islam/Muslims or Muslim taghoot leaders. Just because Muslim aren't practicing Islam, doesn't mean we can forget about the heinous crimes that our leaders commit. These cinemas etc. which have been introduced in Pak is all our dear Mushraf's fault since te Government didn't pass any bill against it.

As far concerning Tilaban, they did introduced some part of sharia'h, like Saudi Arabia, which is no good from Islamic point of view!

[Acid]

I fully agree with your point . We shouldnt support leaders such as this. But the thing is we need to be aware of circumstance surrounding us . I am 100% sure that the only way for Pakistan to prosper is that either me or you become the King Of Pakistan.

Even being an President we cant do anything because of this "democracy" . A President theoretically is the director of the nation but practically he doesnt have all powers to run the company. A president works with an administration which is apparently democratically elected by the Parliament which severely limits his powers. If 20% of Administration is corrupt it can be thrown out if 40% is corrupt it can be kicked out if 60% is corrupt it can be punched out but if 85% is corrupt then they can kick out the PRESIDENT!

Imagine what will happen if today President Musharraf announces that " I am gonna implement Shariah! No democracy! " ... I am sure before America attacks us the Pakistani civilians will themselves attack Musharraf. This is all because of unfortunate democracy. How can you expect Islamic laws in a country which supports democracy where the people are more the 70% either secular loving or Ignorant!

You must have seen on news about the curse on Musharraf that he have kidnapped people apparently "islamic people" and sent them to America on its orders. The thing is we know very well what type of people they were , they were not those who wanted shariah to be implemented although they said that there agendas were political .The would have only caused much pain to our nation if they were set free. Just like the people did after benazirs death. How much BILLIONS of damages we made ? And how much Killing did people do ? I caused a devastation of a social life and degradation of national image and social unrest and disturbance of peace. While a Muslim who cant even pinch another Muslim , these were the actions of our people...

Our Islamic political party namely Jammat has done no good to us either. Jammat was actually a party formed on the name of great Maulana Maududi ( May Allah be pleased with him and he with Him ). After him the party has come to an devastating end. The controllers of the party are purely political.

No wonder I dont see democracy in Pakistan leading us to any good. This is just my point of view though I dont know If I am right or wrong.

All Praise be to Allah who Blessed His Slave with a new car !

Kind Regards