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[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

In the earlier(above) post Two sources were used ,let me give their details.

1) [Laws of Manu ,Sacred Books of East , VOL. XXV, Oxford ,Claredon Press ,1886 Translated by Georg Buhler, Edited by F.Max Muller]

- Its also known to Hindus as Manu Smriti, Manu Samhita....Infact it is a Dharma Shastra(Religious code for Hindus).

2)[ Yajurveda Translated by Devi Chand]

I am trying to give full references to all my citations and quotes eg, printed in year, Printed by the press..,... Translated by..etc Although only the Scripture Name and Ch/Book and verse name are required , but this is done inorder to facilitate any researcher.

Now coming back to topic.

Is Women really Independent according to the Hindu Scriptures ?:


“In childhood must a female be dependent on her father ; in youth, on her husband ; her lord being dead, on her sons ; if she have no sons, on the near kinsmen of her husband ; if he left no kinsmen, on those of her father ; if she have no paternal kinsmen, on the sovereign : a woman must never seek independence.”

- (Institutes of Hindu Law , Ch 5, verse 138 )[Translated by Kenealy ,Watford ,1911] Or the Manu Smriti with diff Translation.

“A wife is not independent with respect to (the fulfillment of) the sacred law.”

- (Gautama Sutra,,Chapter XVIII, verse 1.)[SBE Vol-2 Edited by F.Muller,Sacred Laws of Aryas Part I. Translated by George Buhler, Oxford Clarendon Press ,1879]

“A woman is not independent, the males are her masters. It has been declared in the Veda, ' A female who neither goes naked nor is temporarily unclean is paradise.' ”

- (Vashistha Smriti, Ch V. verse 1) [Translated by Georg Buhler in The Sacred laws of Aryas ,Part II , SBE Vol-2 American Ed, Newyork Christian Litreature Society ,1898.]


“Now they quote also (the following verse): ' Their fathers protect them in childhood, their husbands protect them in youth, and their sons protect them in age; a woman is never fit for independence.' ”

- (Vashistha Smriti, Ch V, verse 2) [Translated by Georg Buhler in The Sacred laws of Aryas ,Part II , Newyork ,Christian Litreature Society ,1898.]


“Women do not possess independence.”

-( Baudhayana Smriti, Prasana 2, Adhayaya 2, Kandika 3, verse 44) [Translated by Georg Buhler in The Sacred laws of Aryas ,Part II , Newyork Christian Litreature Society ,1898]


Many Hindus will be found criticising early Marraige of Ayesha RadiAllah Anha to RasoolAllah Sallal lahu Alayhi wa Sallam , so how do you answer them.

When a Girl is to be Married :


“A girl should be given in marriage before (she attains the age of) puberty. He who neglects it, commits sin.Some (declare, that a girl shall be given in Marriage ) before she wears clothes.”

-(Gautama Smriti,,Chapter XVIII,verses 21-23)[ Sacred Laws of Aryas Part I Translated by George Buhler ,SBE Vol-2 Edited by F.Muller,., Oxford Clarendon Press ,1879]

So when ? When she doesn't even wear Clothes!

“The mother, and the father, and likewise the eldest brother, all these three relatives will go to hell, if before menstruation they neglect to marry the girl.”

- ( Institutes of Parasara , Ch 7, verse 6)[Translated by Krishnakamal Bhattacharya, Baptist Mission Press , Calcutta ,1887]

Elswhere Parashar says :

“When the twelfth year is reached by the female child, if the guardian does not give her away in marriage, her forefathers drink, without interruption, during each succeeding month, whatever blood is passed in her courses.”

- ( Institutes of Parasara Ch 7, verse 5)[Translated by Krishnakamal Bhattacharya, Baptist Mission Press , Calcutta ,1887]


“ A householder shall take a wife (of) equal (caste), who has not belonged to another man and is younger (than himself).”

- ( Gautama Samhita, Ch IV. Verse 1,)[Translated by Georg Buhler ,Sacred Laws of Aryas Part I,Oxford ,Clarendon Press, 1879]

“A maiden who has attained puberty shall wait for three years. After three years (have passed), she may take a husband of equal caste. Now they quote also (the following verses) : ' But if through a father's negligence a maiden is here given away after the suitable age has passed, she who was waiting (for a husband) destroys him who gives her away, just as the fee which is paid too late to the teacher (destroys the pupil).' ' Out of fear of the appearance of the menses let the father marry his daughter while she still runs about naked. For if she stays (in the house) after the age of puberty, sin falls on the father.' 'As often as the courses of a maiden, who is filled with desire, and demanded in marriage by men of equal caste, recur, so often her father and her mother are guilty of (the crime of) slaying an embryo; that is a rule of the sacred law.'”

-(Vashistha Smriti , Ch XVII, verse 67-71) ,)[Translated by Georg Buhler ,Sacred Laws of Aryas Part II,Oxford ,Clarendon Press, 1879]

“Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities ; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty. He who does not give away a marriageable daughter during three years doubtlessly contracts a guilt equal to (that of) destroying an embryo. Such will be the case if anybody asks her in marriage, and also if nobody demands her. Manu has declared that at each appearance of the menses (the father incurs the guilt of) a mortal sin.”

-( Baudhayana Smriti ,Prasna 4, Adhyaya 1, verses 11-13),)[Translated by Georg Buhler ,Sacred Laws of Aryas Part II,Oxford ,Clarendon Press, 1879]

"Let no maiden suffer the period of maturity to come on without giving notice of it to her relations. Should they omit to give her in marriage, they would be equal to the murderers of an embryo. He who does not give such a maiden in marriage commits the crime of killing an embryo as many times as her period of menstruation passes by without her having a husband. Therefore a father must give his daughter in marriage once (for all), as soon as the signs of maturity become apparent. (By acting) otherwise he would commit a heavy crime. Such is the rule settled among the virtuous.”

- (Narada Smriti Book XII Verses 25-27)[“The Minor Law Books” Translated by Julius Jolly,Oxford ,Clarendon Press, 1889.Sacred Books of East Vol- 33]


Other Books like Manu Smriti are quoted in earlier Posts.

Inheritance for Women in Hindu Scriptures :

Lets Start from Vedas Which is the source of Dharma Shastras :

“Soma could not bear being drawn for women; making the ghee a bolt they beat it, they drew it when it had lost its power; therefore women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man”

-Yajurveda(Taittiriya Sanhita) Khanda VI, Prapathaka 5 ,Hymn 8) [Translated by Arthur Berriedale Keith, Harvard University Press,1914]

“Manu divided his property among his sons”

-Yajurveda(Taittiriya Sanhita) Khanda III ,Prapathaka 1 ,Hymn 9 ) [Translated by Arthur Berriedale Keith, Harvard University Press,1914]

Manu is the First Man *(according to the Hindu Scriptures) created by Hindu God , like Adam, infact the english word 'Man' is taken from the Sanskrat word 'Manu'.

The above verses are enough as Vedas are the prime scriptures for Hindus but lets prove this through Dharma Shastras too.

“The Veda (says), ' Manu divided his estate among his sons.'”

- ( Baudhayana Smriti ,Prasna II, Adhaaya 2, Khandika. 3, verse 2) [Translated By Georg Buhler, The Christian literature company , Newyork ,1898]

“He should, during his lifetime, divide his wealth equally amongst his sons, excepting the eunuch, the mad man, and the outcast.”

- [Apastamba Smriti ,Prasna II, Patala 6 , Khanda 14 ,verse 1) [Translated by Georg Buhler ,Sacred Laws of Aryas Part I,Oxford ,Clarendon Press, 1879]


Inshaa' Allah the Post will be Continued.....


AsSalaamu alaykum.

[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

Today every where Islam is accused of being a barbaric,misogynist,terrrorist religion, Islam is accused of subjugating women behind veils and all those allegation.And the more shocking fact is , if you were to visit any social networking site you would find Hindus,Christians making fun of Islam and poor Muslims trying to defend Islam.Hence my post's in this thread are for those muslims who want to answer the biased ,deviated Hindus. The posts here can be used as a combat kit against Hindus.

What if a Hindu criticizes the Position of women in Islam:

Its common to find Hindus , criticizing the Position of women on Islam , they often quote Da'eef Hadeeth and misinterpret pother Hadeeths so how are you going to answer them?

Here I am providing three Translation of the Same verse from the Upanishad(Brihaddarayanakaya) which commands the Husbands to beat (with hand and stick )their wife if they disagree to sleep with them.

Violence against women permitted

" If she should not grant him his desire, he should bribe her. If she still does not grant him his desire, he should hit her with a stick or with his hand, and overcome her, saying : ‘With power, with glory I take away your glory ! ' Thus she becomes inglorious.’ "

- (Brihad-Arayankaya Upanishad, Adhayaya 6, Brahmana 4, verse 7)[The Thirteen Principal Upanishads,Translated by Robert Ernest Hume, Oxford University Press .1921)]


"If she does not willingly yield her body to him, he should buy her with presents. If she is still unyielding, he should strike her with a stick or with his hand and overcome her, repeating the following mantra: "With power and glory I take away your glory." Thus she becomes discredited."

- (Part 6, Ch 4, verse 7 in "The Upanishads - A New Translation" by Swami Nikhilananda )


"If she do not give in, let him, as he likes, bribe her (with presents). And if she then do not give in, let him, as he likes, beat her with a stick or with his hand, and overcome her , saying : ' With manly strength and glory I take away thy glory,'- and thus she becomes unglorious."

-(Brihad-Arayankaya Upanishad, Adhayaya 6 ,Brahmana 4, verse 7) The Upanishads ,Part-2 Translated by F.Max Muller,Oxford Claredon Press,1884

The 3 translations were quoted for those dubious of me mistranslating of misinterpreting the verses.

There are many fools going around and showing their discontent with Islam,due to Islams restrictions on women on politics.Here' how to reply them.

Is a woman consulted by Man ?

"At the time of consultation, let him remove the stupid, the dumb, the blind, and the deaf, talking birds, decrepit old men, women, and infidels, the diseased and the maimed ;"

- (Institutes of Hindu Law , Ch 7 ,Verse 147 )[Translated by Kenealy ,Watford ,1911]

So according to Manusmriti Kings should not consult Women?

How about Purity,a Hindu will find Smritis , claiming women to pure and nothing makes here impure , but then why?

Boycotting women during Menstruation:

"...one should not converse with (a woman) with stained garments (Menses), one should not sit with her, nor eat her food, for she keeps emitting the colour of guilt (menses). Or rather they say, ‘Woman's food is unguent, and therefore one should not accept (from her) unguent , but anything else (can be accepted) at will.'"

-[Yajurveda(Taittiriya Sanhita) Khanda II,Prapathaka 5,Hymn 1 ] [Translated by Arthur Berriedale Keith, Harvard University Press,1914]

Above Vedic citation is enough but lets see what the Puranas say?

“After menstruation the women should be avoided for four days. Their face should not be seen during that time, lest sin should arise in the body.”

-(Garuda Purana, Chapter XV ,verse 7) [Translated by Ernest Wood & S.V. Subrahmanyam, ,Published by Panini Office , Allahabad ,1911]

Not only Boycotting women during Menses but even four days after the completion of course? This is what the Holy Hindu Scriptures say.

Inshaa'Allah more Scriptures are to be quotes and the more to come ......

AsSalaamu alaykum.

[anonymous365]

@Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy : Only a *removed* like you can comment like this.
Its also known to Hindus as Manu Smriti, Manu Samhita....Infact it is a Dharma Shastra(Religious code for Hindus).
my comment : You know who manu was? He was not a god. He was only a king . A very powerful king . Whatever written by him can't be a Dharma shastra. In fact almost 80% of hindu's don't know what manu smriti is? Even my parents don't know. First learn the meaning of dharm shastra. If you can use your brain(if you have) Just try to feel the sentences. He was giving his opinion. Mnausmriti is hardly a religious book.

[salman]

watch your language mister - 1 more insult and you'll earn a ban.

[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

Well, here comes another hot-blooded Hindu.Dear "anonymous365" , you have the same problem just like other hindus.Let me first teach you a basic principle taught to Muslims(Student's of Knowledge) as part of mannerliness -

"If you know not,speak not"

I may have failed to put the principle in correct words, but I think I have conveyed the message.You(anonymous365) do not know your own religion and scripture still are busy maligning and alleging other faiths!Hence I advice you to be more pragmatic and to speak with knowledge and in a mannerly way.Now coming to your claim -

You know who manu was? He was not a god. He was only a king . A very powerful king . Whatever written by him can't be a Dharma shastra. In fact almost 80% of hindu's don't know what manu smriti is? Even my parents don't know. First learn the meaning of dharm shastra. If you can use your brain(if you have) Just try to feel the sentences. He was giving his opinion. Mnausmriti is hardly a religious book.

Well, thats the problem with Hindus they presuppose are lot! How come, after reading my posts(if you read) concluded that I believed that Manu was God!Thats so presumptuous of you.I never stated that Manu was God! So why did you write "He was not a god" ,everyone knows that!

And coming to your statement, "Mnausmriti is hardly a religious book" , well you are really not very well-versed with Hinduism, as no one with elementary knowledge of Hinduism deny the authoritativeness of Manu Smriti/Manu Samhita/Manav Dharma Shastra.

To be precise and brief -

Almost all the Hindus consider Manu smriti to be authoritative. Orthodox Hindu Scholar A.C. Bhaktivedanta stated so infact even the Protestant Hindu - Dayananda Saraswati who rejected Puranas and other scriptures held that Manusmriti was the most authentic Dharma Shastra except that it had few interpolations.

Orthodox hindus , believe Manu smriti to be authoritative even protestant hindus.

Also if Manu Smriti wasn't a book which was accepted largely or wasn't religious then why did religious scholars during various different time wrote Bhasya(commentaries) on it , few are -Medhatithi, Govindaraja, Sarvajna-Narayana,Kullukabhatta, Raghavananda, and Nandanacharya...etc

I hope that the fact is clear.

Lastly, I would recommend you a site so that you can learn about Islam more , as you seem to be carrying misconceptions in you.

The Religion of Islam

May Allah Azz wa Jall guide you.