> Quran and Hadith dont go together?

[Alif]

[The Quran 6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?

The Quran 45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

[The Quran 69:43-47] A revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he uttered any other teachings. We would have punished him.

[The Quran 16:103] We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

Don't these verses make it clear to follow Quran and Quran only, and that the Quran needs no explaining.

[salamfromrom]

Salam

How do the qur'an only muslims know how many rakats to pray?
Quran told us to pray, Sunnah explained it.
Quran told us not to deal Ribba, the prophet showed different kinds of Riba.
Quran told us to have good manners, the prophet showed how.
Quran told us to be beautiful because Allah is beautiful, the prophet showed how to be beautiful and clean.

Please wait for a better answer from the other brothers and sisters here. Make no mistake about it, the Qur'an only muslims are in the wrong.

Salam a leikum

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum welcome bro.


Alif, first of all, try to stop going on that submission site :p


let's just get one thing figured out;

If the Qur'an is passed onto us from Prophet Muhammad's companions, how can we be so sure that the Qur'an we have today is the same one revealed to Prophet Muhammad?


If we believe in the ahadith, along with the chains of narrators all the way back to Prophet Muhammad, then we can affirm that the Qur'an of today is the Qur'an revealed over 1400 years ago to Prophet Muhammad.

If we deny them, then we'll never know. This then questions the claim of whether today's Qur'an is real or not. And if you're questioning that, then you shouldn't really be using the Qur'an as a proof for your arguments, agreed?

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Alif

[The Quran 6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?

The Quran 45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

[The Quran 69:43-47] A revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he uttered any other teachings. We would have punished him.

[The Quran 16:103] We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

Don't these verses make it clear to follow Quran and Quran only, and that the Quran needs no explaining.

outside of the fact of what our members have highlighted, I noticed that whoever cited these sources with this abhorent translation has raped the Qur'an audhubillah of its meaning.

here are the same verses rendered more accurately

[Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (the Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #114)


lets look at the second citation, they translated it as

The Quran 45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

here is a more accurate rendering

These are the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of Allah, which We recite to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) with truth. Then in which speech after Allah and His Ayat will they believe?
( سورة الجاثية , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #6)

The reason why the kaafir who translated it the way they did is because the arabic rendition says

تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ

how silly of such revisionists. A clever way of manipulating a word that alludes to its linguistic meaning in order to undermine the whole shariah connotative concept called "Hadeeth" i.e. Uloomul-Hadeeth.

Not only am I starting to think that the disbelieving westerners take away their Islam, but Im thinking they also stripped them from the brains they once had while they were at it.

again

lets contrast

[The Quran 69:43-47] A revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he uttered any other teachings. We would have punished him.

now here is the proper rendering of it

[069:043] (This is the) Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Âlamîn (mankind, jinn and all that exists).

[069:044] And if he (Muhammad [sal-Allâhu 'alayhi wa sallam]) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh [Subhânahu wa Ta'âla]),

[069:045] We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),

[069:046] And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),

[069:047] And none of you could have withheld Us from (punishing) him.


as for this ayaah

[The Quran 16:103] We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

Im not sure how that speaks for wannabe quranis as it does not prove anything for wannabe quranis specifically.

Don't these verses make it clear to follow Quran and Quran only, and that the Quran needs no explaining.

well, outside of the last verse, all the other versus you cited must have come from some kaafir who wanted to hurt Islam and thus translated these ayaah in the oppression that you found them in and thus your viewpoint was fueled primarily on a virtual rape of the Qur'an wa iyaadhu billah.

If the Qur'an needs no explaining, then why did Allah say

With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur'an)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #44)

If Qur'an needs no explaining, then why is Allah's opinion different than yours. Clearly Allah viewed that not only did He wish for it to be explained, but that He encharged Muhammad with explaining it.

just take the advise of Qataadah and stop going to that site for the betterment of your own self inshallah

[Alif]

Thank you for your answers, but there are other ways to know the Quran is the unchanged word of god, if it was changed there would be contradictions.
Do you have anything to add about the verses in context with Hadith?

[Alif]

Originally Posted by Alif

Thank you for your answers, but there are other ways to know the Quran is the unchanged word of god, if it was changed there would be contradictions.
Do you have anything to add about the verses in context with Hadith?

sorry this was posted before I saw the last post. I guess the website slandered verses of the Quran to fit his views. Thank you for clearing it up, inshallah others do not fall for that fake information.