> Does Qur'an Borrow/Plagiarize from Bible?

[salman]

^one side you say it is copied and other side you complain about the difference. Tell us how come not everything is copied? How come Jews and Christians of Prophet's (peace be upon him) time did not accuse him!?

If we follow the logic of 'similarity' means 'plagiarized/copied' then NT plagiarized and copied from the OT. So what is Christians smoking!?

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by sunnikid

Asallamalikum

Arguments by Jews and Christians!

1.) the quran has stories which are in the bible.
2.) Like moses story, abraham story, and etc.

again before i move on we must bear in mind what , Copying or Piligraising means!! Define: Copying is the duplication of information or an artifact based only on an instance of that information or artifact, and not using the process that..

So if mohammed(pbuh) copied the bible he must have copied everything. Was he a sciencetist, that he corrected most of the bibles mistake and put it in quran ? its illogical because the bible tells us how to rape your own sisters.
( 2 Samuel 13:6) ...and it has many scienctific errors such as 6 day creation , its says Earth is created before sun like come on.. The quran Says the Earth and heavens is created in 6 days it uses word AYAM .. it has 2 meaning long period or short... the bible tells us following:

Firstly, it is not an argument that the Qu'ran contains the same more or less stories as the Bible it is a fact - no oner disputes that.

There are several definitions of plagiarism but from a literary point of view it means copying or summarising or paraphrase without attribution - or in simple terms stealing someone else's work and pretending it is your own.

It is absolutely absurd to say that if he copied 'he must have copied everything' - how can you say such a thing? You obviously have not read 2 Samuel chapter 13 to make such a preposterous suggestion not Genesis or looked at any scientific overview of creation such as one might find in Dr Andrew Parker's book "The Genesis Enigma" with the following summary:

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'Why is the Bible's creation story written as it is?' The first page of Genesis features no humans at all. The substance of heaven and earth - and Earth's earliest creatures - arise spontaneously at God's command. Light is mentioned twice, once in 'let there be light' and secondly in 'let there be lights ...to divide the day from night'. Whales appear before birds. Vegetation appears after 'let there be light', but before day is separated from night. Any study of the Bible will show that the rest of the Bible is written with exacting care, through prolonged, meticulous narratives of human adventure. Yet the description of the creation as it appears in the Bible makes no sense. Could it be that the creation story in Genesis was written as it was, complete with its seemingly odd order, because that is in fact the correct order of events at the beginning of the world? Modern science has more than ever before revealed, in stunning detail, how the world and all of the life on it came into being. Does modern science - while agreeing with Darwinian evolution, the big bang theory and the complexity and deep age of the universe - prove the order of events as described in the Bible to be true? In engrossing detail, respected scientist Andrew Parker brings the latest discoveries of science to bear on this controversial and contentious question.

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by salman

^one side you say it is copied and other side you complain about the difference. Tell us how come not everything is copied? How come Jews and Christians of Prophet's (peace be upon him) time did not accuse him!?

If we follow the logic of 'similarity' means 'plagiarized/copied' then NT plagiarized and copied from the OT. So what is Christians smoking!?

Christians and Jews complain when you say the Bible is corrupted and use that as an excuse for obvious errors in the stories as recorded in the Qu'ran.

What kind of flimsy argument is to ask 'why not copy everything' as if that could possibly prove anything.

The Bible is one book and it cannot plagiarise itself and you are muddled up over references and copying. Everywhere the Bible quotes or references itself. For example, the Psalms often refer to the Exodus story and in the NT one can hardly read more than a few verses anywhere without an OT reference.

[salman]

it seems you have reached pivotal point of raping the common sense.

First, prove that similarity implies borrowing/copying and plagiarism.

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

Christians and Jews complain when you say the Bible is corrupted and use that as an excuse for obvious errors in the stories as recorded in the Qu'ran.

your argument would make sense if there was any truth to it and it seems nothing but child complaining "momy, he called me a baby". If you are going to rely on unknown authors, what do you expect from people!? When your Creator is telling you that what you're saying is complete nonsense, then what do you expect us to say: "let us have a tea party". Secondly, how does this answer or counter my point!? Let me repeat myself: one side you complain the Qur'an contradicts what came in the Bible and then you complain about Qur'an copying from the Bible. So which one is it!? Thirdly, how come this argument was alien to the people at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him): the Jews and Christians!?

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

What kind of flimsy argument is to ask 'why not copy everything' as if that could possibly prove anything.

really, do you even understand the intent of the argument!? If an illterate man simply copied what he heard: 1) why does it contradict with the original source, 2) how was he able to leave out the incorrect parts or whatever have you and 3) how did he know that I should only write this down and discard the rest.

the burden is on your shoulder to prove this. You got nothing but picking straws here and there to suite your agenda as usual.

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

The Bible is one book

the Bible is not a one Book. It is divided into OT and NT for some reasons. OT supposedly revealed on Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) and NT supposedly inspired by God to the followers of Jesus and not the Jews. You do not even follow the OT!

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

and it cannot plagiarise itself and you are muddled up over references and copying.

does NT say "i am taking this from OT" or "this is what OT say"? So how is NT bringing up similar creedal issues, stories, etc. is not borrowing and plagiarizing but referencing!? The point is if the argument is based on nothing but similarity then how is NT free from this since it came later on?

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

Everywhere the Bible quotes or references itself. For example, the Psalms often refer to the Exodus story and in the NT one can hardly read more than a few verses anywhere without an OT reference.

how is the reference done? Does it say "according to exodus" or "it is said in exodus"? Please bring out the passages. Even if it makes a reference like then it only means that it is not a plagiarism but it is still copying/borrowing from a previous source without doing any sorts of authenticity or confirmation whether the information is correct or not.

[Sensationnz]

Asallamalikum

Brother silverj,

Let me ask you something!!! Was prophet mohammed a sciencetist? Logic answer, did he "hear" the stories of the bible on 6 days and corrected them?? So are you telling me our "GOD" in Genesis makes a mistake , But mohammed a human back in 14000 years ago can ,"CORRECT" our god???? Please give me logic answers..

why didnt mohammed copy these parts of bible..

Judges 21:10-24 NLT

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

IS THIS THE WORD OF GOD???
THESE PEOPLE RAPED A WHOLE TOWN...AND THEY DIDNT GET ENOUGH SO THEY WAITED BESIDE A ROAD TO FIND MORE VIRGINS TO RAPE....

is this really god and "why didnt mohammed copy this??

Numbers 31:7-18 NLT

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

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WHy didnt mohammed write in Quran that moses (pbuh) was approve to rape virgins???

wsallam

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Asallam again-

Could you guys watch this video....and TELL ME IF OUR "HOLY BIBLE" IS COPIED FROM GREEK SCIENCE????

WSALLAM

YouTube- Evidence That The Bible Copied Ancient Greek Science

YouTube- Evidence That The Bible Copied Ancient Greek Science

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This is a response from one of the brothers on IA.


Of course the bible and the Quran have similar/identical accounts of creation, prophets, stories of the past, just like the scripture that Jesus bought resembles what existed before in the scriptures of Moses. Does that mean Jesus copied already existing scripture in his midst among the Jews? No because it is bound to be similar and having the same message because it is coming from the same source, Allah.

In the same way there are accounts in the Quran which are the same as those found in the Gospels of today, as well as the Torah. This is because the God who sent the Torah and the Gospels is the same God who sent the Quran. If they are talking about the same people then obviously the accounts will the same as well. Here, interestingly enough these people should be told to read up as the Quran talks about Prophets like Saleh who came to Thamud, and Hud who came to 'Aad, and these have never been mentioned anywhere else but the Quran.

Also, the Quran refutes many stupid and horrible things found in the distorted scriptures now known and the Gospels and the Torah, such as slander against the Prophets. Soloman, for example, is accused of practicing sorcery in the Bible, and the Quran flatly rejects this lie of theirs when Allah says, 'Sulaiman did not disbelieve, rather it was the Satans who disbelieved'. Also the retarded allegation against Lut (as) of committing incest is something the Quran refutes, and you won't find any of these things in the Quran which go agains the basic logic that the Prophets are ma'sum.

An interesting question to these jokers would to tell us why the Quran doesn't copy the bibles blatant mistakes. Mistakes which appear in there because it has been edited so many times to suit different Kings and monarchs, but are there till this day, be they social, scientific, or religious.

[salman]

WHy didnt mohammed write in Quran that moses (pbuh) was approve to rape virgins???

because as you pointed an illiterate man was more knowledgeable and smarter than the biblical god. there were not actually mere virgins, if I recall they were like few years old or maybe my memory is deceiving me. Whatever the case is, actually this issue, blasphemy against Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), is not just mere approval of Prophet Moses (peace be upon him). We never here from the biblical god condemning his prophet for such a crime. In fact, this was none other than the peaceful jesus himself, since they believe he was a god, who allowed his prophet to commit such a crime.

then these are the same people who have problem with 'inequality' of genders in Islam and Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) action.

Instead of complaining about borrowing and plagiarism, they should thank us for removing bunch of nonsense from their book and refining it