> Question and Confusion on science miracles in quran!

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by optimist

Salam,

Well said! And we believe that there is no alternative for English Calendar which is of "pagan origins" and we completely disregard Hijrah calendar. I had posted a thread earlier promoting Hijra Calander and I was given a warning for posting that thread!!

LUNAR CALENDAR [Islamic perspective]

wassalam

even though I am completely an alien to whatever discussion you had with other members on this forum about your theory of the hijriyyah calender, i have a hunch that your perspective of the hijri calender is rampant with jacked up equations of modernist tendencies like for example
1. pre-calculating new moons
etc.

I don;t even know what happened on the other thread, but this is what my hunch tells me wallahul-alim.

there is no science on the planet nor will there ever be a science on any planet for trillions of years to determine a future event like whether the moon will show up or not.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by optimist

Akhee......I am not upset my post was deleted....but I am really upset the comment you posted about Muhammed Asad. Could you please check with your teacher in Islam who is Muhammed Asad? You have a prejudice against me and you are applying the same prejudice against Muhammed Asad. I always use Muhammed Asad's Quran translation because it stands a class apart from others. Please ask about Muhammed Asad and remove the bad comments you made about him. He was Europe’s gift to Islam. You may read his works "Road to Mecca" & "Islam at the Crossroads" that made him international acclaim in the Muslim world.

YouTube - A Road to Mecca

we know who Muhammad asad is. I can think of hundreds of Imaams whom the muslims ummah relies on 1000 times greater than Muhammad Asad, and with all of their greatness, the people of the sunnah have extracted errors of theirs in order to warn the ummah of not falling into them. Since the religion is sincere advice, then it follows that part of enlightening the ummah with regards to everything that will lead them astray becomes obligatory on the muslims.

With regards to Muhammad Asad, I told you this before, He doctrinal views have matched or jave inclined towards the mutazilah. Secondly, his methodological outlook is mirrored upon the way of the modernist. Even if he may not be a modernist like Ghamidi or Parwez, the fact still remains that he views of Islm have been influenced by these foreign concepts.

Secondly, the film, as usual with unobjective muslims, was to much of a slant. They made it out to seem as if his acclaim was all out the world and everyone knew him. I can virtually have my friends in some of the countries in the muslims world go to the masjid and ask about Asad and no one will know who he is. I myself can go to every masjid in my state, and I would probably receive a handful of responses in affirming who he is.

I have his quran and his commentary and I have not found it beneficial to the soul or to the intellect. Muhsin Khan, even with all the parenthetical statements, I have found far more knowledge based, and food for the mind than Asad's work, and more importantly, Muhsin Khan is based on orthodox sunni conceptual thought. Please do not make me go through his qur'an to point out errors, Im making it general that he is not to be relied upon for Islamic knowledge. I would prefer asad over yusif ali, but it s unmatched with muhsin khan. Secondly, the ummah is basically fostered on the yusif Ali translations which is unfortunate yet it is a reality.

I implore you that you recognize modernist approaches and conceptual ideas from the readers you are unfortunately reading from.

[salman]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

even though I am completely an alien to whatever discussion you had with other members on this forum about your theory of the hijriyyah calender, i have a hunch that your perspective of the hijri calender is rampant with jacked up equations of modernist tendencies like for example
1. pre-calculating new moons
etc.

I don;t even know what happened on the other thread, but this is what my hunch tells me wallahul-alim.

there is no science on the planet nor will there ever be a science on any planet for trillions of years to determine a future event like whether the moon will show up or not.

lol, habibi, you got it. brother posted some long articles by some brother who said that we should standardize the Islamic calendar based on the calculations. I do not understand how these guys cannot comprehend the simple rulings of Shari'ah and misguide people like brother optimist.

Originally Posted by optimist

Akhee......I am not upset my post was deleted....but I am really upset the comment you posted about Muhammed Asad. Could you please check with your teacher in Islam who is Muhammed Asad? You have a prejudice against me and you are applying the same prejudice against Muhammed Asad. I always use Muhammed Asad's Quran translation because it stands a class apart from others. Please ask about Muhammed Asad and remove the bad comments you made about him. He was Europe’s gift to Islam. You may read his works "Road to Mecca" & "Islam at the Crossroads" that made him international acclaim in the Muslim world.

akhee, know that by Allah that if my words sound harsh then that is due to care for your akhira. I have nothing personal against you and neither any prejudice because I know you are being mislead and influenced by the works of modernists who are ashamed of their religion. We cannot pick and choose rulings in Islam because some goes with our intellect and easy on our soul whereas some do not. This is not the criteria defined by Allah Azza wa Jal. Even if you do not explicitly consider this criteria as your manhaj but it is apparent from your speech or from those people's speech who you take religious rulings.

you should not upset about the deletion of your post because you posted stuff by Assad which goes against the established understanding regarding the incident of splitting the moon. The Muslim ummah were not jahil for 14 centuries that they could not understand the simplest fact that the ayah could be metaphorical. This would have been allowed if you had put it in a form of question and the purpose was to learn and not debate about it. We have rules on this board and those who want to stay are to follow the rules and if someone does not like our rules than they are more than welcome to leave.

As far Mr. Assad, his manhaj and aqeedah is well known and I will say what our predecessors have said about people like him in the past. I am going to speak up against his falsehood and the munkar he is spreading. I am doing it so that the angels write it down that I am witness against his falsehood. Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) said: “Whoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action against it], and if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out against it], and if he cannot, then with his heart [by feeling that it is wrong], and this is the weakest of faith” (Reported by Muslim, no. 70).

He maybe popular among the modernist camp but he is not much known among the people of sunnah. The first time I heard about him was through you. I do not know how devaint people like him are labeled as Europe's gift of Islam but the people of sunnah are labeled as extremists & fundamentalists. Maybe he is Europe's gift of Islam in the sight of modernists and deviants but not in the sight of Ahlus Sunnah. I do not need to ask my ustad (teacher) or shaykh about him because 1) he would not even know about him and 2) his deviancy is clear and it does not require any fatawa from a shaykh.

You may have respect for him and like his work but know that I can respect the good that he has done but this does not mean that I will not speak up against the falsehood he is spreading. I have nothing personal against him or you - it is just the teachings which he promotes and you are influenced by it. The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) said that love someone but in a moderate manner because tommorow he may do something which will make you hate him. And hate someone but in a moderate manner because tomorrow he may do something which will make you love him. We love for Allah and we hate for Allah and we are balanced & moderate in our dealings - this is a basic characteristic of a Muslim.

The Ahlus Sunnah do not hesitate to speak the truth and they do not let their emotions overcome their actions against the falsehood. And I ask Allah that He makes us among those who love for His sake and hate for His sake and may He also make us among the Ahlus Sunnah and let us die in that state, ameen.

[salman]

^brother I would kindly ask you to edit your post and remove the content because 1) it is off-topic and 2) you are bringing up the same points which you brought in the other thread. I do not understand why you are bringing them again when 1) you could have referred akh boriqee to other thread and 2) I've told you that the other thread will be opened after the month of ramadhan and let us not discuss this issue right now.

Please do not make me delete it, jazak Allah khayran

[optimist]

Originally Posted by salman

^brother I would kindly ask you to edit your post and remove the content because 1) it is off-topic and 2) you are bringing up the same points which you brought in the other thread. I do not understand why you are bringing them again when 1) you could have referred akh boriqee to other thread and 2) I've told you that the other thread will be opened after the month of ramadhan and let us not discuss this issue right now.

Please do not make me delete it, jazak Allah khayran

Salam,

It is ok if brother Al Boriqee make a reply for this after ramadan! I didnt make any comments outside the points he has made. I promise that I will not make any futher comments on this topic again until after ramadan evenif Al boriqee or any other person continue discussing.

wassalam