> Why God's Book Cannot Contain Error

[Ahmad]

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God Revealed it

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Those who disbelieve in the Reminder when it comes onto them (are guilty), for indeed it is an unassailable Scripture. Falsehood cannot come at it from before it or behind it. (It is) a revelation from the Wise, the Owner of Praise (Qur'an 41:41-42).

Praise be to Allah Who has revealed the Scripture unto His slave, and has not placed therein any crookedness (but has made it) straight (Qur'an 18:1-2).

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God Preserves it

God has promised to always preserve His book. He says (interpretation of the meaning): Surely We, even We, revealed the Reminder (the Quraan), and We verily are it's Guardian (Qur'an 15:9)

The Quraan contains no additions. It remains today letter for letter as it was revealed over 1400 years ago. Nothing added, nothing taken away.Two of the original manuscripts of the Quraan prepared 1400 years ago still exists today. One is in the Topkapi Saray Museum in Istambul, Turkey, and the other in Tashkent, Russia. Both of these are identical in content with the Qur'an available all over the world today.

You Can Examine it

God says: Will they not then consider the Qur'an with care? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much discrepancy (Qur'an 4:82)

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[God is all merciful]

Assalamu Alikom,
The Holy Quraan is God's miracle which will remain for ever.The Miracles of the Other prophets(peace br upon them all) were only limited to their time,but the holy Quraan is for all times.No one can distort The Holy Quraan.If so,It will be discovered immediately.Thus ,We have One holy Quraan at all times which is written in Arabic.



The holy Qur'an is written in Arabic ,knowing that the Arab were known of their eloquence in using words.God challenge everybody to bring just one Aya like what is in the holy Quraan.The prohet Muhammed (peace and prayers are upon Him)cannot read or write.This is another miracle which indicates that this Quraan is from Allah.Noone can come with a language like the Quraan's.

[SilverLJ]

I understand that you fervently believe this to be true but that is a long way from proof but may I ask.

1. Where is the original Qu'ran in the sense that it is the one all others are derived from and being simplistic, the one printers use to make copies?

2. A complete Qu'ran was not available in the Prophets life time and the oldest known copy extant is perhaps as much as 200 years later. We do not even know if we have the whole of the Qu'ran as many traditions point out. So where is your proof that what you have is original?

3. We only have one authority for its content, Prophet Mohammed and that, if I may say so, is a worry to me because he could not have checked the copy that you have and one might contrast that with the Bible with many authors and created over a very long time period with many 1,000 of early manuscripts some going back as much as 400 years before Christ

[salman]

^just a quick response to your post SilverJ, let's not speak without knowledge and not relay on old myths. I'll post a detail response later.

[Umm Marwa Mustafa]

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[salman]

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

1. Where is the original Qu'ran in the sense that it is the one all others are derived from and being simplistic, the one printers use to make copies?

2. A complete Qu'ran was not available in the Prophets life time and the oldest known copy extant is perhaps as much as 200 years later. We do not even know if we have the whole of the Qu'ran as many traditions point out. So where is your proof that what you have is original?

let's start from the basics: what does the word "Qur'aan" mean? or what does it refer to? According to who, the oldest copy extant to 200 years later?

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

3. We only have one authority for its content, Prophet Mohammed and that, if I may say so, is a worry to me because he could not have checked the copy that you have and one might contrast that with the Bible with many authors and created over a very long time period with many 1,000 of early manuscripts some going back as much as 400 years before Christ

the first sentence of your response has been responded above. Bible was originally written by anonymous writers and we don't know if they were trustworthy. It has been changed from time to time. How can you even trust such a thing? How could the manuscripts of Bible be 400 BC old when the NT came 400 years later? You don't have the same Bible as the original. What are we going to do with 1000s of manuscripts when they don't match the current Bible that we have.

[Assad]

Thank you for your post Silver LJ,

We certainly believe and It is absolutely true that Glorious Quran is without any contradiction, absolutely perfect and 101 % authentic and credible. We just dont say it with our belief but we say it with all scientific verifiable evidence.

Quran was written , memorised and widely read during the Lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) . It was written by Prophets official scribes and many other devoted Companions. However If you talk about bible , Jesus never appointed or said or told anyone to write a bible! HE NEVER DID! But people wrote the bible and included many self made stories in them. I'll end the answer to your first question.

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

Where is the original Qu'ran in the sense that it is the one all others are derived from and being simplistic, the one printers use to make copies?

That original Qu'ran is here with us today, It resides with every Muslim, In every copy of Quran today and in our hearts. It is held purified and honoured by every Muslim living on the planet.

I invite you to open yout heart to truth..

Best Wishes

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by Acid

Thank you for your post Silver LJ,
We certainly believe and It is absolutely true that Glorious Quran is without any contradiction, absolutely perfect and 101 % authentic and credible. We just dont say it with our belief but we say it with all scientific verifiable evidence.

Quran was written , memorised and widely read during the Lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) . It was written by Prophets official scribes and many other devoted Companions. However If you talk about bible , Jesus never appointed or said or told anyone to write a bible! HE NEVER DID! But people wrote the bible and included many self made stories in them. I'll end the answer to your first question.

That original Qu'ran is here with us today, It resides with every Muslim, In every copy of Quran today and in our hearts. It is held purified and honoured by every Muslim living on the planet. I invite you to open yout heart to truth..
Best Wishes

Thank you for your prompt replies. But please let me know about this 'scientific verifiable evidence' as I know of none. I agree the Qu'ran was widely memorised but all we know about it being written down is that is was on bits of bone, leaves etc so there was no book or organised collection as such.

I have no issue with you believing the Qu'ran to be perfect but its quite another thing to insist or prove it to be so. By that I do not mean its content is worthless only that to me you then go on to say that every other book and the Bible is particular is of little value and that is not rational and indeed it is arrogant.

I do not quote see you argument about Jesus. Much of the Bible was written many many years before Jesus was born. But even so it is illogical to imply as you do that the teachings of Jesus are worthless or fabricated. I don't know what these 'self made' stories are so I cannot comment but if you are going down that road the Qu'ran has stories of that nature also as is easily shown.

Thank you for inviting me to open my heart but I have read (in English) the Qu'ran many times and I think I know it quite well. I have also read the Bible many times as well a things like the Gita.

May I invite you to open your mind and reason - that is how God made us. I think what people like me find objectionable (I mean no disrespect to you) is that way you have the Qu'ran in very high regard (nothing as such wrong with that) but sadly abuse every other sacred book. It simple cannot be true that only the Qu'ran has good things to say and it cannot be that other books cannot say good things in a much better way that the Qu'ran.

You see when I read the Qu'ran I don't do it to pick holes in it and find fault with every part of it, I do it to explore and see what it has to say. May I invite you in that same spirit of humility to read for example the Bible or Gita and see what they have to say.

[salman]

^I'm still waiting for your reply to my previous post.

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by salman

let's start from the basics: what does the word "Qur'aan" mean? or what does it refer to? According to who, the oldest copy extant to 200 years later?

Bible was originally written by anonymous writers and we don't know if they were trustworthy. It has been changed from time to time. How can you even trust such a thing? How could the manuscripts of Bible be 400 BC old when the NT came 400 years later? You don't have the same Bible as the original. What are we going to do with 1000s of manuscripts when they don't match the current Bible that we have.

1. With regard to the oldest copy being 200 years after Prophet. Two ancient copies of Koran are the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul. These were written in a script style called "Kufic", practising Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. John Gilchrist, in his book, "Jam' Al-Qur'an" came to this same conclusion. (John Gilchrist, Jam' Al-Qur'an, Jesus to the Muslims, 1989)

2. You have a very peculiar way of assessing the Bible. The Bible as we know it was compiled over about 1600 years and long before the Quran existed. It has many books and many authors and often we do not know who the author was. You presumable would make the absolutely un-testable claim that Allah wrote the Quran.

a. I have no idea where you get this notion of the Bible 'being changed from time to time' - who changed it? when did they do it? We know of about 6,000 biblical manuscripts so how would anyone get all those so as to alter them - it's an absurd notion? The cannon that we have now has been fixed for almost 2,000 years. It is true in those 6,000 manuscript there are differences but none are of significance. It is also true that as new manuscripts are found (such as the Dead Sea Scrolls) then small updates/corrections might be made to this or that verse. Indeed almost any Bible you buy will indicate where there are variant readings so nothing is secret and these variants are almost never of great significance to doctrine. Go an look at say the Amplified Bible which is at pains to show everything that a student would want

b. My Bible or one you have is a close to the original as you can get it. YOU can go for example to the British Museum and see the Codex Sinaiticus (there are many others) which contains the whole of the NT and a large part of the OT and its is dated 270 years before Hijrah. Thus we KNOW what the text of the Bible in the hands of Christians said at the time of Mohammed and its the same as we have today.

Interestingly, as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls a complete copy of the book of Isaiah was found written on copper and it was 400 years older than any other know copy of that book but only tiny differences were found so it seems to me you theses about the Bible is totally unfounded and based on ignorance not fact.