> Why the Challange of the quran is in arabic ?

[binnasoordeen]

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Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

A guy replies like this for the challange of quran ! Please any one help me to answer him !!! thx I viwed the quranic challenge thread in this forum but I didnt find answers for these question below please help ?

I do not wish to challenge anything. I simply want to understand it first. Say I want to take the challenge, I must first know the conditions of the challenge, and I'm not sure that they are clear. This challenge is not a challenge until there is a clear challenge. Or if you agree that it is not universal, then that's acceptable. Then no use in bringing it up to prove that Quran is divine to anyone who is not a Muslim.

My point is that anyone should be able to accept the challenge in any language he/she prefer, because of the obvious reasons
(1) GOD knows all languages
(2) There's no part in the challenge where Allah says it should be in arabic

. There's no question on it being in a Universal language, but only on it being in any language. My point is that 'surah like it' can be in any language if the challenge is universal.

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[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by farshad

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Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

A guy replies like this for the challange of quran ! Please any one help me to answer him !!! thx I viwed the quranic challenge thread in this forum but I didnt find answers for these question below please help ?








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take note Salman, Qatada, and others for what Im about to say

this is a classic example of the old school polemics of our predecessors. May Allah pardon our brothers and sisters who preceded us in dawah before us, however I merely want to bring this mistake out to light for the benefit of reconstructing our thought.

our predecessors in the english speaking world were the ones who pushed the "quranic challenge" and rammed it down to everyone. And now this issue is here to bite us (so to speak) and now we have to come up with a rpely. Instead of attacking their ideology, they went with things like "the Qur'anic challenge"

allow me to state quite boldly, no muslim will never be able to convince a kaafir who is stuck on takdheeb (outright rejection) about the superior inflection of grammer in arabic that is not found in other languages, at least not as emphatical as arabic is anyways. So if this is the case, then the entire argument of even convincing them of this is useless.

we are never gonna gain a convert through the quranic challenge. However, if you attack their ideology and inform them of how wrong it is and how right yours is, it will by default clarify in their minds the nature of this challenge without ever having the need to even mention one word about this challenge

I hope yall get my drift

[binnasoordeen]

thx for ur advice but the guy is an atheist !!! and y I brought him this topic was because he was continuasly spreading false about islam !!!

we published materials regarding how Quran stands out I mean how quran is miracle then after that what he did is spreaded false information regarding islam !!
and attacked muslims with very rude and insulting manner

so we brought this message then the atheist guy stopped and another one now replies calmly !!!

he asks questions about the challenge but already I replied him that to understand the qurans challenge that u should first understand the MIRACLES of quran !!!

iz that wrong !! ?

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brother If I use the informations which is given here then its ok isnt it !? and its authentic ok ?

Muslims says we have unlimited proof for Islam

[al-boriqee]

well

firstly

the main bulk in clarifying the challenge of the Qur'an actually lies in the arabic language. That means, your argument is going to mainly be surrounded within the realm of linguistics. And if you don;t know arabic, you won't be able to give examples, it would be just mere talk. The second problem is that you have to consider the mind level of the person your trying to clarify this to. Most kaafirs are not even educationally fit to even entertain such a discussion to begin with because 90 percent of the entire subject which will clarify this topic is surrounded by linguistical arguments.

Out of the linguistic argument, 40 to 50 percent of it will have to revolve in narrating the entire atmosphere of arab society with regards to literary usage in poetic form. If you are not acquainted with this history, you will never be successful.

[salman]

first, akh boriqee, Jazak Allah khayr for bringing it up and allhamdulillah, I am aware of this problem.

@farshad

akhee, your line of argument is not correct as akh boriqee has pointed out. The difference between their way and our way is as the difference between earth and sky. Therefore, until we do not point out to them this difference and problems in their way they will never be able to understand where we come from. Hence, you won't be able to convince them about this argument and will be running in circles and facing even more problems. So insha'Allah, focus on core of the problem, the methodology, instead of miracles, and all that. Let me explain in bit more details what akhee boriqee was trying to say:

There are some brothers who like to use these scientific miracles argument against atheists or similar issues but this is not our da'wah. I am not saying we should not use it but it is not main focus of our da'wah, neither this website is geared toward those arguments: the aim of this website is to revive the da'wah of the Salaf. The difference between us and them is tawheed; Islam is different from all other falsehood due to tawheed. The da'wah of the Prophets (peace be upon them) and those who followed them was tawheed; rest of the tools are secondary! An atheist is never going to understand Islamic rulings or the challenges or the miracles when he does not even believe in Allah Azza wa Jal. Even if show him that there are scientific miracles or Qur'an's superiority, he is gonna deny it by saying "so what, I do not believe in any divine being" or he will say "how does Qur'an being free of error and having superior language proves that it is from God". So you see, as as result of this kind of da'wah, you will have to tackle more questions. However, if you focus on tawheed, then it is far simpler: all we go to do is show that our way is superior and because it is superior you got no choice but to accept it unless you want to continue clinging to inferior way.

Regarding the challenge of the Qur'an, I shared with you the link on Multaqa, please go through the article linked in that post.

insha'Allah, you can assure that the information presented on this website is accurate. Sometime, you may see some members copying pasting stuff from other websites and it may not be 100% accurate or in accordance with sunni understanding. In that case, you point out to us and we will insha'Allah correct it or remove it. If something is unclear, confusing etc., you can always ask, insha'Allah.

Some of things copied by brother in that link are far fetched, for example the prophecy about fir'awan (pharaoh) being preserved. And there is nothing special about discovery of tower build by hamaan at the order of fir'awan. One has to be very careful when interpreting the text related to prophecy and miracles because you will get in more trouble in case of incorrect interpretation. Most of these interpenetration, whispered on the internet, are done by awam (laypeople), something which they should not be doing, or dai'is who are not complete student of knowldge let alone scholars. It is always better and safer to refer to the works of traditionalist scholars and students of knowledge. And focus on core of our da'wah: tawheed.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah

PS: I will reply to atheist's specific points shortly, insha'Allah - meanwhile let me edit brother Tayel's post in the link you provided

[binnasoordeen]

jazaakallah kayr brother salman and al-boriqee

some members copying pasting stuff from other websites and it may not be 100% accurate or in accordance with sunni understanding. In that case, you point out to us and we will insha'Allah correct it or remove it. If something is unclear, confusing etc., you can always ask, insha'Allah.

indeed yes ask the people who are well educated !!

It is always better and safer to refer to the works of traditionalist scholars and students of knowledge. .

yes

And focus on core of our da'wah: tawheed

100% agree with you brother !


b4 presenting a hadeeth or an explanation of al quran Its a must that I should verify from a Alquran- sunnah scholar


jazaakallah kayr brothers
I have a suggestion
if anyone who is good in quran-sunnah start a thread
called "How to start da'wa"
If u do; it would me more useful for beginners like me !!! ?
brother salman and al-boriqee
is this idea good ?

[salman]

wa barakAllahu feeka akhee farshad ... as far your query on how to start da'wah then allhamdulillah it has already been covered. Please refer to Need a help to reach my goal in Dawah!

You will find useful links in my reply in that thread in addition to other advices

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


what i do is send them a youtube vid of a nice recitation of quran, with its meaning in english on the vid [like surah al rahman].


this makes them amazed at the beauty of the recitation, so they're convinced of its beauty without me having to argue anything :D



one guy actually became muslim just by listening to the quran and its translation on youtube.. so take advantage of this technology of our times.