> Ahmad Naasir the Shaheed, who said "the Qur'an is not created".

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


wa iyyakum.. :D


i loved the way all this occured within the life of imam ahmad himself, insha Allah putting a smile on his face [because he was under house arrest during that time by the same king].

So Allah made heroes like this because of imam ahmad and punished his enemies, and he saw the fruits in his life for his efforts...




Here's some good links on Imam Ahmad during and after his ordeal;

http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com/20...of-sunnah.html
http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com/20...lashed-me.html
http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com/20...mam-ahmad.html
http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com/20...his-death.html

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


Some extra bit from the unedited version;

Thus, a Jama'ah (group) gathered under him from amongst the people of Baghdad, and thousands of people joined him. Two men were appointed in propagating the Da'wah of Ahmad ibn Nasr, and they were Abu Harun as-Siraj, who called the people of the Eastern Province, and another man named Talib, who called the people of the Western Province - thus, many thousands of people and abundant crowds united under him.

So when it was the month of Sha'ban of this year, the Bay'ah was organized for Ahmad ibn Nasr al-Khuza'i in secrecy, upon Commanding the Good and Forbidding the Evil, and to rebel against the Sultan due to his bid'ah and his calling to the claim of "Khalq al-Qur'an" (Creation of the Qur'an), and due to what he, his authorities and his entourage were perpetrating of sins and immorality, and such. So they agreed on a time, that on the third night of Sha'ban - on the night of Jumu'ah - a drum would be beaten in the night, and then those who had given Bay'ah would gather together in a place which they had agreed on beforehand - and (after the agreement) Talib and Abu Harun distributed many Dinars amongst the companions. From amongst the crowd who recieved the money, were two men from Banu Ashras, and these two men used to drink wine.

So when Thursday night came, these two men drank wine amongst a group of the companions, and the two men thought it was the night of the plan to be executed - which in reality wa a night before the planned night, so the two men began to beat the drum in the night so that the people would gather with them both - but no one came. The disarray overtook the organized plan, and the guards hear this in the night time, so they notified the deputy of his borhter, Ish'haq ibn Ibrahim, due to his absence from Baghdad... and the people became hysteric and the deputy of the Sultan did his utmost to capture those two men (who beat the drum.) So when he caputed them, he tortured them until they confessed about Ahmad ibn Nasr. So they searched for him, until they wre able to capture a servant of his - and they held him (and tortured him) until he confessed with the same confession as the two men.


So he captured a number of the leaders of the companions of Ahmad ibn Nasr, along with him, and sent them to the Khalifah, - pleasing those who saw them (i.e. the captured rebels led by Ahmad ibn Nasr) in such a state - and this took place at the end of Sha'ban. So he assembled a group of spectators and the Qadhi, Ahmad ibn Abi Du'ad al Mu'tazili attended, and Ahmad ibn Nasr was brought forth - but he (Al Mu'tazili) did not display any rebuke upon Ahmad ibn Nasr. And when Ahmad ibn Nasr was made to stand in front of al-Wathiq, he did not rebuke him for anything to do with the Bay'ah which he took from the populace upon Commanding the Good and Forbidding the Evil and such - Rather, he skipped over all of that and interrogated;

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


akh al boriqee, didn't people say that its okay to rebel against the leader using the example of al hussein, and examples like the above?


would it be okay for me to spread the unedited version? or is it more harmful?

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Qatada

asalaam alaikum


akh al boriqee, didn't people say that its okay to rebel against the leader using the example of al hussein, and examples like the above?


would it be okay for me to spread the unedited version? or is it more harmful?

The short answer to that is that I recall Ibn Hajr commenting on the issue saying that in the beginning when the fitnah happened with al-Hajjaj, there was an ikhtilaaf among ahlu-sunnah. After the fitan played out, when everything was all sorted, the ahlul-hadeeth came to a final conclusion and agreement that it is haraam.

In other words, we had to LEARN the correctness of this affair through experience.

here is the longer answer: Revolting against Tyrant Muslim Rulers