This is a discussion on Symptoms of Modernism within the Modernists and Progressive Thought forums, part of the Deviants and Heretics category; Im galdd you raised this point. I forgot to incorporate this in my work. Therefore I will add it. However, these idiots follow the view ...
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| Im galdd you raised this point. I forgot to incorporate this in my work. Therefore I will add it. However, these idiots follow the view of the famous historian Ibn Khaldoon. Ibn Khaldoon is the one who opined that the riwayaat of Imaam Mahdi and I believe the dajjal, but particularly Imaam Mahdi are all inventions brought into the ahadeeth due to the political climate of the umawiyyah and the rivalry with the uprising of the abassiyyah. This is where the origin of todays denial of Imaam Mahdi lies at. here are the topics upon which my work is going to be ellaborating on inshallah. I post it in order to give a glimpse to the audience the magnitude of their deviation and to highlight precisely how extreme and far off these people differ with Muslims Quote:
__________________ ![]() ابو نعيمة علي البريكي قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : « طلب العلم فريضة على كل مسلم » قال أبو عمر : هذا حديث يروى عن أنس بن مالك ، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم من وجوه كثيرة ، كلها معلولة ، لا حجة في شيء منها عند أهل العلم بالحديث من جهة الإسناد | |
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however I would say that the particular flavor of ash'aris and hanafis rejecting hadeeth is on a totally different scale than the munkarul-hadeeth movement. These sects in particular did so because they folloed the philosophical aspect o the mutazili school based on scholastic grounds. However, with the munkarul-hadeeth scoundrels, their plight is totallty and utterly rooted in nothing more than religious malpractice 1000%. their enitre 'itiqaad is based on westenr antics than on Islam whereas the hanafis, ash'aris, and yes, even the mutazilah, their views were based on Islamic antics, and this is why in a section of my work, I will have to clarify the stark difference between these modern scoundrels and the mutazilah of old, because they are actually much worse than the mutazilah.
__________________ ![]() ابو نعيمة علي البريكي قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : « طلب العلم فريضة على كل مسلم » قال أبو عمر : هذا حديث يروى عن أنس بن مالك ، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم من وجوه كثيرة ، كلها معلولة ، لا حجة في شيء منها عند أهل العلم بالحديث من جهة الإسناد | |
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| ![]() Jazak Allah khayran akhee; your point is agreed upon. I simply brought it up to show that the issue is not new and there is a difference between how early opponents against accepting ahadith viewed it and how the modernists of our time view time. There are some good topics in your risalah; I look forward to reading it. I am not too sure if I can be help much but I will do whatever I can insha'Allah. @Ayah Bismillah sister, like I said, all their rejectionism has nothing to do with ahad hadith, usool al-fiqh and maqasid al-shari'ah. This is simply an excuse to backup their rejectionism. The methodology of these modernists is exactly the same as secularists and comes from their god, iblees. It is very simple and straight forward: "this doesn't make sense to me. Explain it to me rationally and I am going to reject whatever doesn't work my intellect". So the asl (foundation) of modernism is to reject whatever doesn't work with their limited intellect. Hence, to modernists, if everything in Islam doesn't work with their intellect or if everything in Islam is questioned and challenged by their master, the west, then they will reject everything. Their asl is kufr and due to this very reason many of them outright declare apostasy while others hurt Islam from within. Other innovation and destructive tool adopted by these modernists is the math-hab of irjaa. Like the west, they have turned Islam into a personal thing, a spiritual belief. As long as we believe there is a God or as long as pray and do spiritual deeds then we are all good. Whereas we know that Islam is more than a spiritual belief system. This whole ideology is contrary to what Islam and prophetic world stands and calls for. Islam asks to humble ourselves and wholeheartedly submit and surrender ourselves to the will of our Lord. But people operating on this (modernist) ideology wants us to remain arrogant and not pay attention to our deficiencies. Islam says surrender yourself but they say "why explain to us rationally because we believe we are capable to derive our way of life by ourselves". Their whole point of "explain to me rationally" is ridiculously stupid that it cannot be described with any words except with a small analogy. Imagine you are on a battle field then an enemy soldier corners you and he is pointing gun at you. Then he says: "surrender yourself" but you say in reply: "but why! explain to me rationally". To sum it up Allah says: "O my slave Islam is the only religion for you so willingly surrender yourself to My will"and Allah knows best
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