There are No Such Things as Omens

IbnAbdulHakim · 03-10-2008, 01:05 PM

| Sheikh Muhammad b. `Abd Allah al-Qann?s|

Ab? Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "There are no such things as omens. A favorable auspice is the best there is."

They asked: "So what is a favorable auspice?"

The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: "A good word that one of you hears." [Sah?h al-Bukh?r? (5754) and Sah?h Muslim (2223)]
This had?th is one of the many which teach us that omens are un-Islamic.

As for the good word that the had?th affirms, this is where one of us overhears something and draws personal comfort from it. It is a form of optimism. For instance, a person lying in the hospital with a serious illness happens to overhears someone walk by saying "Y? Sal?m" ? an expression like "O Lord" using Allah's name meaning "peace" ? and that person takes encouragement from hearing it.

Another person might be looking for a lost item and overhear someone saying: "Praise be to God! What a find I had today." From this, he takes heart that he might just find what he has lost.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to take heart when he heard people speak a good world or say positive things.

At the same time, the Prophet (peace be upon him) categorically prohibited the belief in omens and in portents of dread. He warned that the belief that omens and portents can influence our fate ? positively or negatively ? is a form of polytheism.

`Abd Allah b. Mas`?d relates that the Prophet said: "Omens are polytheism." He repeated this three times. [Sunan Ab? D?w?d (3411)]

We also have where Sahl b. Sa`d al-S?'id? relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ?If there were anything that brought an evil foreboding, it would be in three things: one's horse, one's wife and one's home.? [Sahih al-Bukh?r? (2859) and Sah?h Muslim (2226)]

In another narration in Sah?h Muslim (2227), related from J?bir, it reads: "If an ill foreboding were in anything, it would have been one's residence, one's servant, and one's horse."

Scholars of the past have differed in how they understood this had?th. They have approached the had?th in three ways:

1. Mental association: Some take the had?th on its face value, understanding that sometimes a person, while living somewhere, or while in a certain marriage, or in possession of a certain means of transport, suffers a serious loss or misses opportunities. Of course, this all happens in accordance with Allah's decree, but it can cause a person to hate the elements of his life that he associates with these negative experiences. What the had?th is telling us is that it is lawful for a person to change these aspects of his life, as long as he knows full well that his prosperity and providence are with Allah alone, and not in the things in his surroundings when Allah brought about His decree.

There is support for this interpretation in the had?th related by Anas where he tells us that a man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: "We used to live in a home where we were many in number and had an abundance of wealth. Then we moved to another home, and now we are few in number and have little wealth."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Leave it to its misery." [Sunan Ab? D?w?d (3423)]

Ibn Qutaybah, in his discussion of this had?th in Ta'w?l Mukhtalif al-Had?th (99), writes:
They were only told to move from that house because they would be heavyhearted and restless to remain in a home where they suffered so much misfortune. So the Prophet (peace be upon him) told them to move. Indeed, Allah has placed in human nature the dislike of the places where they experience suffering, even though the place itself has nothing to do with it.
Al-Khatt?b?, in A`l?m al-Had?th (2/1379), explains why the had?th makes specific mention of a person's residence, wife, and mode of transport:
Good fortune and misfortune are merely what a person experiences in life of benefit and harm. This is all according to Allah's will alone. These three things are mentioned only because they are the most ubiquitous and conspicuous factors of a person's life. Though they so not directly cause the person's fortune or misfortune, one's home, one's spouse, and one's steed are the most prevalent and essential things in the person's experience and surroundings. Therefore, these things can become associated most readily in a person's mind with misfortunes that befall him. It is just like how people feel good about someone from whom they receive benefit, even if that person did not expressly intend to help them. They feel negativity towards a person who brings them harm, even if that person did not intend any harm.
2. Bad qualities in the things themselves: Bad effects can come about in a person?s life because of these three things, if these things are not good, because of how closely and strongly people are attached to them.

The evil foreboding in the home, for instance, might be because of its cramped size, abusive neighbors, or its being too far from the mosque. With respect to a man's wife, it might be their inability to conceive children together or a lack of mutual trust ? or due to her sharp tongue with him. In a servant, it could be bad manners or his having a lackadaisical attitude about his work.

3. These three things are among life's essential blessings: Some scholars understand the evil foreboding in the had?th to refer to the misfortune of a person who does not have a good home, a good spouse, or a decent mode of transport. It is related from Sa`d b. Ab? Waqq?s that the Porphet (peace be upon him) said: "Three things are among the causes of human happiness: a pious wife, a good home, and a good means of transport. And three things are among the causes of human misery: an bad wife, a bad home, and a bad means of transport." [Musnad Ahmad (1445)]

Al-Bukh?r? pointed out how this understanding of the had?th is reinforced by the verse of the Qur'?n which reads:

" O you who believe! Surely from among your wives and your children there are enemies for you; therefore beware of them; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
[S?rah al-Tagh?b?n: 14]

And Allah knows best.

Pk_#2 · 03-10-2008, 01:23 PM

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

JazakAllah khair,

Carrying amulets and charms for the purpose of protecting oneself against the evil eye and witchcraft comes under the heading of wearing amulets which is forbidden. It was narrated from ?Uqbah ibn ?Aamir al-Juhani (may Allah be pleased with him) that some people came to the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu ALayhi Wassalam) and he accepted the oath of allegiance from nine of them and not from one man. They said: O Messenger of Allah, you accepted the allegiance of nine and not from one. He said: ?He is wearing an amulet.? So he put his hand in (his garment) and broke it, then he accepted his oath of allegiance and said: ?Whoever wears an amulet has associated others with Allah (shirk).? Narrated by Ahmad (16781); classed as saheeh by al-Albani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (492).

Ahmad (17440) also narrated that ?Uqbah ibn ?Aamir (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu Alayhi Wassalam) say: ?Whoever wears an amulet, may Allah never fulfil his wish and whoever wears a seashell, may Allah never protect him from what he fears.? This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Arna?oot in his commentary on al-Musnad.

Seashells were worn to ward off the evil eye.

Lafanga · 04-11-2008, 07:15 PM

i was gona make a seperate thread but i found this sooooo ......

Superstitions are summin that have unfortunately crept into the muslims nowadays, like they believe in horoscopes, and tying threads on their bodies or leave dangling things on their bodies, this has nothing to do with islam! When someone uses a taweez (amulet), with authentic stuff from the Quran or Sunnah, although there is dispute over that, its still accepted as its dua?s from the Quran and Sunnah. But tying ropes, strings, that is just ridiculous and its what hindus do. Like you go to Pakistan and on trees, you see people have tied string around it, thinking it will bring them good, that is superstitious and the hadiths says...

It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Masood said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Tiyarah (superstitious belief in omens) is shirk.? Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood

And also It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade tiyarah and said ?There is no tiyarah.? Narrated by Ibn Majah

so like the Prophet (Saw) said tiyarah (superstitions) are shirk and he told the muslims, there are no superstitions, because back in the days the arabs would believe in stuff like that, like look at the stars and stuff, and the Prophet (saw) came and told them not to as its shirk!

ALLAH SAYS IN THE QURAAN
....

"Whatever of Mercy (i.e. of good), Allah may grant to mankind, none can withhold it, and whatever He may withhold, none can grant it thereafter. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." ? Surah Fatir v2

"If Allah touches you with hurt, there is none can remove it but He; and if He intends any good for you, there is none who can repel His favor which He causes it to reach whomsoever of His slaves He will, and He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." ? surah Younis v117

If Allah helps you none can overcome you, and if He forsakes you, who is there, after Him, that can help you. And in Allah (alone) let believers put their trust." Surah al Imran v 160

So by tying a string or wearing something, that thing wont help you, if Allah (swt) has written summin bad in your kismat only he, can stop it from happening or not hapnin!!

More hadiths

It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Whoever lets tiyarah (superstition) stop him from doing something has committed an act of shirk.? Narrated by Ahmad

So dont believe in the crap of walking under ladders, or opening a umbrella indoors or the stars aint right, or whatother crap people say nowadays, all good and bad is from Allah (swt), have believe in him not a string or anything else, and if he touches you with bad remem it was ment to happen!!

It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Masood (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Tiyarah (superstitious belief in omens) is shirk, and any one of us may think he sees an evil omen but Allah will dispel it by means of trust in Him (tawakkul).? Narrated by al-Tirmidhi

Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?There is no ?adwa [transmission of infectious disease without the permission of Allah], no tiyarah [superstitious belief in bird omens].? Narrated by al-Bukhari

So dont believe in any omens, nothing can stop bad from happening except dua, not a string or any other thing!!

Pk_#2 · 04-12-2008, 01:00 PM

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

A string?

JazakAllah khair.

IbnAbdulHakim · 04-14-2008, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yateemz#

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

A string?

JazakAllah khair.

its like a tameema (ornament) you can tie it around your arms or your neck, its just a black string that a "saint" or "wali" of Allah blows on... and its supposed to bring good fortune.

Allahu A'lam, there is much ikhtilaf on wearing Allahs name around your neck (taweez) let alone tameemas and strings...

Allahu A'lam.

my dad use to wear one.... but he use to believe Allah is the one whos curing him and giving him good, he use to call it taking a measure to bring his blessing.

May Allah guide us all.. Ameen

Assalamu Alaikum

Pk_#2 · 04-14-2008, 08:27 AM

WalaykumSalam,

Ameen,

Bro is it the same as them random 'white' people (that's not me being racist that's me only seeing white people do it) put a string around their finger to remember things?

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

IbnAbdulHakim · 04-14-2008, 08:32 AM

Assalamu Alaikum

lol honestly sis i didnt know they do that. The intention is different... but pure tawheed is to just rely on Allah without having to use these things inshaAllah.

Pk_#2 · 08-01-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sslivigo

Knowledge makes humble, ignorance makes proud

Hallo,

Cool, nice quote, why the grumpy/unhappy face?

03-10-2008, 01:05 PM	#1
IbnAbdulHakim Full Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 722 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	There are No Such Things as Omens \| Sheikh Muhammad b. `Abd Allah al-Qann?s\| Ab? Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "There are no such things as omens. A favorable auspice is the best there is." They asked: "So what is a favorable auspice?" The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: "A good word that one of you hears." [Sah?h al-Bukh?r? (5754) and Sah?h Muslim (2223)] This had?th is one of the many which teach us that omens are un-Islamic. As for the good word that the had?th affirms, this is where one of us overhears something and draws personal comfort from it. It is a form of optimism. For instance, a person lying in the hospital with a serious illness happens to overhears someone walk by saying "Y? Sal?m" ? an expression like "O Lord" using Allah's name meaning "peace" ? and that person takes encouragement from hearing it. Another person might be looking for a lost item and overhear someone saying: "Praise be to God! What a find I had today." From this, he takes heart that he might just find what he has lost. The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to take heart when he heard people speak a good world or say positive things. At the same time, the Prophet (peace be upon him) categorically prohibited the belief in omens and in portents of dread. He warned that the belief that omens and portents can influence our fate ? positively or negatively ? is a form of polytheism. `Abd Allah b. Mas`?d relates that the Prophet said: "Omens are polytheism." He repeated this three times. [Sunan Ab? D?w?d (3411)] We also have where Sahl b. Sa`d al-S?'id? relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ?If there were anything that brought an evil foreboding, it would be in three things: one's horse, one's wife and one's home.? [Sahih al-Bukh?r? (2859) and Sah?h Muslim (2226)] In another narration in Sah?h Muslim (2227), related from J?bir, it reads: "If an ill foreboding were in anything, it would have been one's residence, one's servant, and one's horse." Scholars of the past have differed in how they understood this had?th. They have approached the had?th in three ways: 1. Mental association: Some take the had?th on its face value, understanding that sometimes a person, while living somewhere, or while in a certain marriage, or in possession of a certain means of transport, suffers a serious loss or misses opportunities. Of course, this all happens in accordance with Allah's decree, but it can cause a person to hate the elements of his life that he associates with these negative experiences. What the had?th is telling us is that it is lawful for a person to change these aspects of his life, as long as he knows full well that his prosperity and providence are with Allah alone, and not in the things in his surroundings when Allah brought about His decree. There is support for this interpretation in the had?th related by Anas where he tells us that a man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: "We used to live in a home where we were many in number and had an abundance of wealth. Then we moved to another home, and now we are few in number and have little wealth." The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Leave it to its misery." [Sunan Ab? D?w?d (3423)] Ibn Qutaybah, in his discussion of this had?th in Ta'w?l Mukhtalif al-Had?th (99), writes: They were only told to move from that house because they would be heavyhearted and restless to remain in a home where they suffered so much misfortune. So the Prophet (peace be upon him) told them to move. Indeed, Allah has placed in human nature the dislike of the places where they experience suffering, even though the place itself has nothing to do with it. Al-Khatt?b?, in A`l?m al-Had?th (2/1379), explains why the had?th makes specific mention of a person's residence, wife, and mode of transport: Good fortune and misfortune are merely what a person experiences in life of benefit and harm. This is all according to Allah's will alone. These three things are mentioned only because they are the most ubiquitous and conspicuous factors of a person's life. Though they so not directly cause the person's fortune or misfortune, one's home, one's spouse, and one's steed are the most prevalent and essential things in the person's experience and surroundings. Therefore, these things can become associated most readily in a person's mind with misfortunes that befall him. It is just like how people feel good about someone from whom they receive benefit, even if that person did not expressly intend to help them. They feel negativity towards a person who brings them harm, even if that person did not intend any harm. 2. Bad qualities in the things themselves: Bad effects can come about in a person?s life because of these three things, if these things are not good, because of how closely and strongly people are attached to them. The evil foreboding in the home, for instance, might be because of its cramped size, abusive neighbors, or its being too far from the mosque. With respect to a man's wife, it might be their inability to conceive children together or a lack of mutual trust ? or due to her sharp tongue with him. In a servant, it could be bad manners or his having a lackadaisical attitude about his work. 3. These three things are among life's essential blessings: Some scholars understand the evil foreboding in the had?th to refer to the misfortune of a person who does not have a good home, a good spouse, or a decent mode of transport. It is related from Sa`d b. Ab? Waqq?s that the Porphet (peace be upon him) said: "Three things are among the causes of human happiness: a pious wife, a good home, and a good means of transport. And three things are among the causes of human misery: an bad wife, a bad home, and a bad means of transport." [Musnad Ahmad (1445)] Al-Bukh?r? pointed out how this understanding of the had?th is reinforced by the verse of the Qur'?n which reads: " O you who believe! Surely from among your wives and your children there are enemies for you; therefore beware of them; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." [S?rah al-Tagh?b?n: 14] And Allah knows best.

04-12-2008, 01:00 PM	#4
Pk_#2 Hooked On Ribena Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 303 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, A string? JazakAllah khair. __________________ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا !أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ "O you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah.." (Surat As-Saff)

04-14-2008, 08:27 AM	#6
Pk_#2 Hooked On Ribena Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 303 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	WalaykumSalam, Ameen, Bro is it the same as them random 'white' people (that's not me being racist that's me only seeing white people do it) put a string around their finger to remember things? AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. __________________ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا !أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ "O you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah.." (Surat As-Saff)

04-14-2008, 08:32 AM	#7
IbnAbdulHakim Full Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 722 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Assalamu Alaikum lol honestly sis i didnt know they do that. The intention is different... but pure tawheed is to just rely on Allah without having to use these things inshaAllah. __________________ Shaqiq bin `Abdullah reported: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) did not consider the abandonment of any action as disbelief except neglecting Salat. [At-Tirmidhi]. Commentary: The opinion of the Companions of the Prophet (PBUH) was based on the information contained in the Ahadith which have been mentioned above. They did not take the Ahadith which interpreted the leaving of Salat as Kufr mere scolding or reproof. They considered slackness and negligence in Salat as Kufr and apostasy and regarded Salat a symbol of Islam.

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Pk_#2 Hooked On Ribena Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 303 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, JazakAllah khair, Carrying amulets and charms for the purpose of protecting oneself against the evil eye and witchcraft comes under the heading of wearing amulets which is forbidden. It was narrated from ?Uqbah ibn ?Aamir al-Juhani (may Allah be pleased with him) that some people came to the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu ALayhi Wassalam) and he accepted the oath of allegiance from nine of them and not from one man. They said: O Messenger of Allah, you accepted the allegiance of nine and not from one. He said: ?He is wearing an amulet.? So he put his hand in (his garment) and broke it, then he accepted his oath of allegiance and said: ?Whoever wears an amulet has associated others with Allah (shirk).? Narrated by Ahmad (16781); classed as saheeh by al-Albani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (492). Ahmad (17440) also narrated that ?Uqbah ibn ?Aamir (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu Alayhi Wassalam) say: ?Whoever wears an amulet, may Allah never fulfil his wish and whoever wears a seashell, may Allah never protect him from what he fears.? This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Arna?oot in his commentary on al-Musnad. Seashells were worn to ward off the evil eye. __________________ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا !أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ "O you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah.." (Surat As-Saff)

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Lafanga Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: tree house Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i was gona make a seperate thread but i found this sooooo ...... Superstitions are summin that have unfortunately crept into the muslims nowadays, like they believe in horoscopes, and tying threads on their bodies or leave dangling things on their bodies, this has nothing to do with islam! When someone uses a taweez (amulet), with authentic stuff from the Quran or Sunnah, although there is dispute over that, its still accepted as its dua?s from the Quran and Sunnah. But tying ropes, strings, that is just ridiculous and its what hindus do. Like you go to Pakistan and on trees, you see people have tied string around it, thinking it will bring them good, that is superstitious and the hadiths says... It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Masood said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Tiyarah (superstitious belief in omens) is shirk.? Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood And also It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade tiyarah and said ?There is no tiyarah.? Narrated by Ibn Majah so like the Prophet (Saw) said tiyarah (superstitions) are shirk and he told the muslims, there are no superstitions, because back in the days the arabs would believe in stuff like that, like look at the stars and stuff, and the Prophet (saw) came and told them not to as its shirk! ALLAH SAYS IN THE QURAAN .... "Whatever of Mercy (i.e. of good), Allah may grant to mankind, none can withhold it, and whatever He may withhold, none can grant it thereafter. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." ? Surah Fatir v2 "If Allah touches you with hurt, there is none can remove it but He; and if He intends any good for you, there is none who can repel His favor which He causes it to reach whomsoever of His slaves He will, and He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." ? surah Younis v117 If Allah helps you none can overcome you, and if He forsakes you, who is there, after Him, that can help you. And in Allah (alone) let believers put their trust." Surah al Imran v 160 So by tying a string or wearing something, that thing wont help you, if Allah (swt) has written summin bad in your kismat only he, can stop it from happening or not hapnin!! More hadiths It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Whoever lets tiyarah (superstition) stop him from doing something has committed an act of shirk.? Narrated by Ahmad So dont believe in the crap of walking under ladders, or opening a umbrella indoors or the stars aint right, or whatother crap people say nowadays, all good and bad is from Allah (swt), have believe in him not a string or anything else, and if he touches you with bad remem it was ment to happen!! It was narrated that Abd-Allah ibn Masood (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?Tiyarah (superstitious belief in omens) is shirk, and any one of us may think he sees an evil omen but Allah will dispel it by means of trust in Him (tawakkul).? Narrated by al-Tirmidhi Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ?There is no ?adwa [transmission of infectious disease without the permission of Allah], no tiyarah [superstitious belief in bird omens].? Narrated by al-Bukhari So dont believe in any omens, nothing can stop bad from happening except dua, not a string or any other thing!!

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