> I hate myself!!! Stupid forums!!!

[Tema]

I have made an oath to my self that i won't post on mixed forums!!!!!!!!!!!
It happens accidentaly. When I am to stop, Iget involved into a mix up disscussions that I have to reply to!!!!

Why is it so hard? When I amke a decision, a bunch of stufF comes alone to destroy it.

[Tema]

O, just like in prayer, If I enjoy it or do it with pleasure, my worship shall be easy. If not, it will be hard. So to dosomething for the sake of Allah, it must be done with love for Him,

[salman]

sister, if you feel that you are wasting time or your priorities are not sorted out then all you need is a strong resolve and busy yourself with other things which will take your attention way from these sorts of forums. If you know people are stubborn and won't change their views when haqq is presented to them then there is no need for wasting time on stopless arguments and debates with these sorts of people.

btw, what do you mean by mixed forums?

Jazak Allah khayr for the reminder.

[Tema]

Originally Posted by salman

sister, if you feel that you are wasting time or your priorities are not sorted out then all you need is a strong resolve and busy yourself with other things which will take your attention way from these sorts of forums. If you know people are stubborn and won't change their views when haqq is presented to them then there is no need for wasting time on stopless arguments and debates with these sorts of people.

btw, what do you mean by mixed forums?

Jazak Allah khayr for the reminder.

Well, interacting with other Muslims does help me learn. I don't spend time speaking to kuffar because if you do, you just provoke more nastiness out of them. I thought that we had to learn the part of Islam that refutes their allegations. I experienced that we need to learn our obligation and Islam as it is.That knowledge refutes them. The general stuff. Hadeeths and the Qur'aan refutes them. The moon god, a verse refutes it, and same goes for the jinns in Qur'aan etc...
Islam is to worship Allah alone. To call to Islam, you call to worship Allah alone. I just like this statement.
People like me don't even know the obligatory knowledge yet we engage into advanced stuff which deludes us.

As for interacting with Muslims, we give eachother advices in where we sometimes call to other than that by Muhammad, I have done it.
We would benefit more if we busied ourselves listening to great lectures. This busies me from listening to those lectures.

Mixed forums are forums in where we all mix regarless and being carless that we are the opposite sex.

Even though all of you are here to give daw'ah,with great knowledge, alhamdulillah, you must remember, you don't just commit a sin, you follow the footsteps of shaytan. What are they? Do we know all of their footsteps? In order to not fall in them, we must know them. I don't know them, I can fall one by one of theirs. One sin infects your heart, especially if you are commiting it unknowingly, correct me if I am wrong.

One of them is where we think we are doing something good when we, actually, do it in a haraam way. Allah knows what other traps the shaytan guards.

Others being religious can be an atteraction to someone. Humans don't fall for looks, but character too.
From this we can tell that there may be fitna on mixed forums.

About peoples views, we never know the truth behind a poster. I used to be fixed on madhabs than other stuff etc... Until i realised that WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE STUFF WE USE, OUR WEALTH (WE WILL BW QUESTIONED FOR IT) HIJJRAH, FASTING, SALAT. IT is so sad that minor stuff overtakes our mindes over the remembrance of Allah Someone free from all imperfections.


That is what forums have done to me.

Why has Allahcreated us? To worship Him? How? By doing actions He told us. Doing that what is halal and forbidding and not committing the forbidden. What is all that Allah has mentined in the Qur'aan? Just one obligation has so much to it. HIjab, etc... WE ARE CREATED TO FOLLOW THESE COMMANDS AND LEARN THEM. IS THAT WHAT THE FORUMS ARE DOING?

[al-boriqee]

dear sister unknown
it is best to speak with not only sure knowledge, but an ettiquette that would make even the opposer of your view, wish to emulate you

Originally Posted by Abdul-Fattah

First of all, I don't have to defend my views because so far nobody on the forum has actually challenged these views, especially not you, with your adhominem-aproach.

not that Im presenting myself as "challenging you" but Im curious to know how you landed to your viewpoint?

Yes, and another heep did not. Eitherway both heaps cannot be right at the same time, so obviously a heap of them was wrong, regardless of which is true.

could you please enlighten me on some of the people who opined otherwise and held that the apostate is not killed.

1) The hadeeth says" follow me and my companions", not "me and my companions and the three generations after me".

your right, however within the subtleties of the arabic import of the hadeeth, the phrasal clause "the best of generations is my generation, then those who come after them, and then those who come after them" entailed that all three generations are wrapped up as an exemplary foundation of modeling ourselves to. That is why everyone is unanimous (including all of the sect) about following the first three as it is implied within the hadeeth and of course the companions being the pillar of all three generations.

2) There's a diffrence between those early generations and the people now who call themself salafi now.

indeed, you are correct again, and this is why Shaykh Uthaymeen stressed on the importance of actually BEING salafi rather than on merely claiming to be salafi.

3) Before this post you weren't urging me to follow the sunnah and the 3 generations, but instead urging me to follow the salafi scolars. I pointed out the hypocracy of that, and now all of a sudden your arguments slightly change?

if I could push aside her attack on you, I just wished to focus on the aspect of the above statement. I of course understand that people beyond those three generations will not reach the ankle of the first three generations in merit, piety, and whatever other good one can think of, including knowledge. Likewise, from this aspect we know that no one will reach them in this manner, however, I wanted to find what is the specific aspect of hypocrisy in terms of following salafi scholars who by definition is the exact personification of the salaf in its elaboration and following the salaf.

This is not an issue of whether or not one submits to Allah. This is an issue of wheter one submits to this or that scholar.

okay, I think now I get it. You do not disagree with the apostate being killed as long as what he is killed for has something to do as an act of war on the state, or some type of malicious act by which would warrant execution.

I myself have not heard of this opinion before. Im sure that maybe 3 or 4 people throughout the 14 centuries did have their own opinion contrary to the shar'i opinion which is understandable.

anyways, the reason why the muslims for the most part viewed execution as the appropriate price for apostasy is because SINCE execution is ONLY done in an Islamic state, then it was viewed by all that the act in and of itself WAS the act that instigated an act of treason, war, or harm against the state. That is because, as I have explained elsewhere, IF a soul really did not wish to bring harm to the state, then they would simply leave their apostasy to themselves or to leave the Muslim lands. Such a person who does this, their action is the manifestation of someone who truly desires no conflict or harm. HOWEVER, when a person openly performs what is already illegal in the state (to apostasize) and decide that they will market and advertise their apostasy, their action is more than enough to understand that they desire to bring harm and controversy to the state which is why apostasy in the state is viewed as an act of harb (war).

[Abdul-Fattah]

Selam aleykum
Thanks Al-boriqee for helping by clarifying the issue. I hope with this we can leave this all behind us inshaAllah.

[salman]

^akhee, if you don't mind, please delete the posts and profile comments. Jazak Allah khayran