> debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people

[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

Firstly, I wouldn't like to argue, but being unbiased, Salafitalk, has shown their level of Ilm by launching websites like Asharis, Takfiris..etc and I really don't find anyone in cyberspace more knowledgeable than those Brothers, let's be fair and give them the credit which they deserve.Many people criticize , but being JUST in criticism is one of the beautiful attributes of a Salafi, which many forget.

Secondly brother Farshad, is the debate going to be in Tamil or Urdu? But the Best resources on Refuting Sufism (Barelwism,Deobandism..etc) in Urdu language is none other than :

http://www.ahlulhadeeth.net

There are great Audio,Video debated and lectures by Shuyookh, also the Books(Majority in Urdu few short treatise in English too) ! The books are really great , There are great book, eg :Deen al-Haqq Bajawab Jaa al Haqq ...etc I hope the debater(Salafi) knows Urdu , if yes than this site is enough.

Also see :

www.umm-ul-qura.org -(English, French,Urdu, and Arabic)

For great Articles exposing Sufiyyah.

I hope, these will help.

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu.

[binnasoordeen]

jazz kallh binrazeen told me that the main topic is

Are tareeqa people doing Shirk and bid'aa In the name of "ziyaarah(visiting graves)"

binrazeen is concerned on what they will present I mean the opponents (tareeqa) arguments

[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

Brother Farshad, I don't know whether Bin Razeen knows Urdu, but if you want to know about their arguments then please download ebooks from ahlulhadeeth.net , which are total refutation of Sufis , example the Sufi books Jaa al Haqq was written by Ahmed Yaar Naemi to prove all the Bid'ah and Shirk promulgated by Sufis , and this Books is thoroughly refuted by Ahlul Hadeeth (2 volumes) called Deen al-Haqq Bajawaab Jaa al Haqq(in Urdu), also many others like Tohfa-e-Hanfia Bajawab Tohfa-e-AhleHadees ..etc

This will help you know their arguments in advance as these sufis rely on their ancestors arguments heavily, and will bring same old arguments.

But if you want to know their arguments from their books then the Sufi Library :

As you said brother the Debate is on Tareeqah then thisSUFI book was written to legalise and show Tareeqa are from Shariah : Book - Shariat_o_Tareeqat

.:: Shariat o Tareeqat :: Urdu Book ::.

One of the most famous SUFI Library for Ebook Download :

.:: Islamic Library of FaizaneAttar.net :: New Books ::.

Inshaa'Allah it will help.People are warned , not to visit and download the ebooks provided by the above sufi site.

AsSalaamu alaykum

[Caution] - Deviant Mubtadi[Sufi/Barelwi] website linked above.

[al-boriqee]

1. If the ahlul hadeeth website your talkin about ran by abu khuzaimah and abu hibbaan then these guys are awesome, known them for years.

2.

Firstly, I wouldn't like to argue, but being unbiased, Salafitalk, has shown their level of Ilm by launching websites like Asharis, Takfiris..etc and I really don't find anyone in cyberspace more knowledgeable than those Brothers, let's be fair and give them the credit which they deserve.Many people criticize , but being JUST in criticism is one of the beautiful attributes of a Salafi, which many forget.

if you want to be fair then the first oppression you did was to attribute the actual beneficial sites (al-hamdullillah it's been years since anything beneficial came from them) come specifically from abu Iyad Amjad rafiq who is spubs and his sidekick abu khadeejah. So mainly spubs and not salafitalk. .

2. I guess your "fairness" is seen when you Excluded these shiyookh from cyber space here.
Al-Adl Journal

on shariah.

As well as al-ibaanah.com
salafimanhaj.com
islamiclecture.com
thefiks.org

an organization that fueled ignorance rather than lifted it is not an organization upon which could be said that they are the cream of the crop of cyberspace.

If you want to be fair, then say that they provided much beneficial material for the community and may Allah guide them and rectify their affair and excuse them.

Asalamu alaikum

[salman]

@Abd Al-Muhsin

akhee, if it is a deviant website then please don't post it in public. Get the relevant books, upload them somewhere else and then share the links or share that link in private. Jazak Allah khayran.

I don't want to stir up another sensitive discussion but this is to benefit others and to protect them from such fitnah.

As far ahlulhadeeth.net website concerned then they also suffer from similar extremism disease as salafitalk and rest of that crew. Lastly, akh boriqee didn't say anything about salafitalk not doing good in some areas. In fact, akh boriqee believes that these murjis are correct in issue of imaan and kufr. Without taking anything away from them, they were not the first one who nailed down ash'aris, it was saheefah.org put together by joint collaboration of IA, multaqa and sunnipress. And I don't think we recommend visiting their website on takfiris when we know their problem in manhaj.

It is not healthy to bring out these websites and discussions on this forum because many members are not aware of these problems and issues and they want to learn basics of Islam and have nothing to do with this mess created by everyone out there. If anyone wants to discuss this further then please pm me; jazak Allah khayran

[Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy]

Wa alaykum as Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

Brother al-Boriqee firstly ,as I said earlier , I really don't want to argue, and I am just trying to free my self from your allegation of Oppression.

if you want to be fair then the first oppression you did was to attribute the actual beneficial sites

I haven't oppressed anyone one.The beneficial sites like Asharis, Takfiris..etc are a Part of Salafi Publications so is Brother Abu Iyyad Amjad Rafiq Khan, so is Salafitalk.So either you say SalafiTalk or SalafiPublications its the same thing.

Secondly , brother al-Boriqee, I clearly said -

Firstly, I wouldn't like to argue, but being unbiased, Salafitalk, has shown their level of Ilm by launching websites like Asharis, Takfiris..etc and I really don't find anyone in cyberspace more knowledgeable than those Brothers, let's be fair and give them the credit which they deserve.Many people criticize , but being JUST in criticism is one of the beautiful attributes of a Salafi, which many forget.

Thats my personal opinion as I have benefited the most from the works of Salafi Publications and other websites, and secondly I was clearly talking of Talibul Ilm(hence I wrote 'Brothers') and not Shuyookh.

And there are numerous beneficial sites , which I haven't cited , but that does not mean I deny their benefactive role.


And Brother Salman , I apologise for linking a SUFI deviant website, I was in Hurry and did not have time to upload it on Sharing Website and then link it here, excuse me this time, Inshaa'Allah it won't be repeated.(Even I hate such Links).


Lastly, as Brother Salman wrote -

It is not healthy to bring out these websites and discussions on this forum because many members are not aware of these problems and issues and they want to learn basics of Islam and have nothing to do with this mess created by everyone out there.

I won't discuss the issue anymore as , it won't solve any problems but sow bitterness between Salafi Brothers and sisters, as the KEYS to end this FIGHT is with the Shuyookh and not the Talibul Ilm or Novices like us.


AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullah.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy

I haven't oppressed anyone one.The beneficial sites like Asharis, Takfiris..etc are a Part of Salafi Publications so is Brother Abu Iyyad Amjad Rafiq Khan, so is Salafitalk.So either you say SalafiTalk or SalafiPublications its the same thing.

WRONG. spubs is a publication upon which its works come from a select handful of brothers. hizbitalk is an entirely different thing altogether. it is a forum, that is open for a bunch of juhaal who make taqleed of the whole of salafism to lay at the feet of spubs to the exclusion of the rest of the world and no one is a salafi unless if they are blessed by maktabah salafiyyah i.e. hizbiyyah hence hizbitalk.

Secondly , brother al-Boriqee, I clearly said -

Thats my personal opinion as I have benefited the most from the works of Salafi Publications and other websites, and secondly I was clearly talking of Talibul Ilm(hence I wrote 'Brothers') and not Shuyookh.

And there are numerous beneficial sites , which I haven't cited , but that does not mean I deny their benefactive role.

I didn ot say you deny their role, i said you make spubs numero uno over all others when others ONLY clearly relayed ilmu-naafia whereas spubs revealed beneficial knowledge, and along with it destrictive hizbi and even bid'i knowledge (example, the innovation of "clear" salafi into the manhaj which Khalid ar-raddadee refuted them on) into the dawah and misguiding laymen like yourself on these bid'i concepts.