debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people

binnasoordeen · 02-28-2010, 02:48 PM

As-Salam 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Insha allah on coming Sunday there will be a debate between salaf vs sufi scholars (the multaqa ahl al hadeeth tamil forum mod Mujahid Bin Razeen also a debater in salaf )

its mainly about strictly following shafi madhab and the books written by sufis , mawleed, prophets birthday, grave worship, asking dua from awliyaa like topics

he asked me to get some supported materials(ARABIC and ENGLISH) from the web I think this is the very correct place and please brothers and sisters provide some use full informations on refuting sufis (arguments, refutation etc..)

PS: In srilanka ~40% of muslim population follow tareeqa

salman · 03-01-2010, 03:05 PM

akhee, multaqa itself will be the best place to seek aid.

PS: where is this debate?

Tema · 03-01-2010, 03:12 PM

Nah, Salafitalk is the hardcore.

binnasoordeen · 03-01-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salman

akhee, multaqa itself will be the best place to seek aid.

PS: where is this debate?

In srilanka

Abdul-Fattah · 03-01-2010, 06:02 PM

Selam aleykum
In my humble opinion, it's best not to look for complicated stuff and very specific references. The best source for such a debate is a book about the basis of tawhid. Such books usually mention many forms of shirk which are commonplace among sufi's. This is obviously also the most important issue; so it's best to stick with that, and not to indulge to much in other subjects when debating with sufi's. Of course not all sufi's are alike. There's even shia and sunni sufi's. And while all different sufi's share some charesteristics, they also differ on various issues.

And with sufi's, more then with any other group it's very important to have some notions of the following fallacies:
Logical Fallacies

Because their arguments tend to be emotive and mystic, rather then rational and logic. So it helps if one can point out exactly why such an argument is flawed.

al-boriqee · 03-01-2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown

Nah, Salafitalk is the hardcore.

more like no core. they can;t even ask questions correctly, much less entertain a detailed debate since the forum is plagued with ignorance.

al-boriqee · 03-01-2010, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farshad

Insha allah on coming Sunday there will be a debate between salaf vs sufi scholars (the multaqa ahl al hadeeth tamil forum mod Mujahid Bin Razeen also a debater in salaf )

its mainly about strictly following shafi madhab and the books written by sufis , mawleed, prophets birthday, grave worship, asking dua from awliyaa like topics

he asked me to get some supported materials(ARABIC and ENGLISH) from the web I think this is the very correct place and please brothers and sisters provide some use full informations on refuting sufis (arguments, refutation etc..)

PS: In srilanka ~40% of muslim population follow tareeqa

asalamu alaikum

the best sources to utilize with regards to blind following would be this

All about following a Madhab and taqleed

and everything in it.

al-boriqee · 03-01-2010, 11:08 PM

as for the mawlid

these are sufficient in english and arabic

The Erroneous and Invalid in Kabbani's Mawlid - Abu Khaliyl

Celebrating Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) Birthday?

Celebrating Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) Birthday?

I attached the arabic work as a word file.

binnasoordeen · 03-02-2010, 12:54 AM

jazakallah kyr

Ibn Ilyas · 03-02-2010, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

more like no core. they can;t even ask questions correctly, much less entertain a detailed debate since the forum is plagued with ignorance.

haha say no more habibi, love your replies akhee

Wassalaam

02-28-2010, 02:48 PM	#1
binnasoordeen MR.P Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 137 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 38 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people Insha allah on coming Sunday there will be a debate between salaf vs sufi scholars (the multaqa ahl al hadeeth tamil forum mod Mujahid Bin Razeen also a debater in salaf ) its mainly about strictly following shafi madhab and the books written by sufis , mawleed, prophets birthday, grave worship, asking dua from awliyaa like topics he asked me to get some supported materials(ARABIC and ENGLISH) from the web I think this is the very correct place and please brothers and sisters provide some use full informations on refuting sufis (arguments, refutation etc..) PS: In srilanka ~40% of muslim population follow tareeqa

03-01-2010, 03:05 PM	#2
salman Proud Islamist Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Islamic-Life.com Posts: 2,168 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 73 Thanked 295 Times in 213 Posts	Re: debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people akhee, multaqa itself will be the best place to seek aid. PS: where is this debate? __________________ Fi Amanillah Wa As-Salamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu The Prophet sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam said: "The Muslim is a unique Ummah among the whole of mankind: Their Land is ONE, their War is ONE, their Peace is ONE, Their Honour is ONE and their Trust is ONE." [Relayed by Imam of Ahlus Sunnah - Ahmad ibn Hanbal - rahimahullah]

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Tema Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida, US Posts: 458 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 91 Thanked 34 Times in 29 Posts	Re: debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people Nah, Salafitalk is the hardcore.

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Abdul-Fattah Co-Administrator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belgium, Gent Posts: 659 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 17 Thanked 173 Times in 123 Posts	Re: debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people Selam aleykum In my humble opinion, it's best not to look for complicated stuff and very specific references. The best source for such a debate is a book about the basis of tawhid. Such books usually mention many forms of shirk which are commonplace among sufi's. This is obviously also the most important issue; so it's best to stick with that, and not to indulge to much in other subjects when debating with sufi's. Of course not all sufi's are alike. There's even shia and sunni sufi's. And while all different sufi's share some charesteristics, they also differ on various issues. And with sufi's, more then with any other group it's very important to have some notions of the following fallacies: Logical Fallacies Because their arguments tend to be emotive and mystic, rather then rational and logic. So it helps if one can point out exactly why such an argument is flawed. __________________ Check out my website

03-02-2010, 12:54 AM	#9
binnasoordeen MR.P Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 137 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 38 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: debate with semi sufies or tareeqa people jazakallah kyr

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