> Strengthening yourself in debate EXERCISE

[Qatada]

asalam alaikum


i don't go down to their level to insult, instead i look down on them and show the power of 'izzah (honour of islam) against them. so i make the person look like they're acting immature, and i make the people around me support me in this [especially in an islamic environment.]

i think there are quite a few situations when some of this 'izzah has an effect on the person being harsh, since you show them that you don't give a *poop* what they say, and that if you persist in this harshness, then i don't really care about debating you, you're not worth it - end of. Allahu a'lam.


Remember that hadith of Abu Dujana (with the red bandanna) who walked arrogantly near the enemy before the battle of Uhud, and Allah's Messenger explained that this type of walk is hated infront of Allah, except in a situation like this. Keep that in mind insha Allah. Only if you know it will make a difference. :)

[Abdul-Fattah]

Originally Posted by Qatada

Only if you know it will make a difference. :)

I understand what you're saying. But how can you ever know for certain? We never know what the future brings, and we never know for certain how a conversation might alter somebody's p.o.v. I went and debated against people, emotionally unstable people that other people might run away from. Maybe it was a waste of time, maybe not. I'm not a big fan on giving up on people. If Allah subhana wa ta'ala his mercy is open until people die, then why should we give up on people sooner?

[Pk_#2]

Originally Posted by Abdul-Fattah

I understand what you're saying. But how can you ever know for certain? We never know what the future brings, and we never know for certain how a conversation might alter somebody's p.o.v. I went and debated against people, emotionally unstable people that other people might run away from. Maybe it was a waste of time, maybe not. I'm not a big fan on giving up on people. If Allah subhana wa ta'ala his mercy is open until people die, then why should we give up on people sooner?

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

Yeah that is true, well said. Debating is just not my area of expertise..

[binnasoordeen]

Originally Posted by salman

As-Salamu 'Alaykum

what about the Islamic haters? I mean can we like say kind of insulting words due to their ignorance and poor argumentation. I understand that we need to keep our cool but in some cases it is hard to control yourself. Off course, we don't want to go to the extent that we start using abusive language.

I think specially hard to control ur self akee salman...smile
BTW u r trying to imitate the style of Umar bin kattab raliallahu anhu


BTW in public deabates some insulting humors are compulsory
and if you have locking points use them at last ie.any one who watched the debate between dr. naik vs dr Wiliam cambell consider the last blow regarding a true Christian believer drinks deadly poison

[salman]

^akhee, stop picking on my old posts, smile. May Allah reward you greatly for reminding me again and again, ameen.

[Aayah]

SubhanAllah!!!

HOW ON EARTH I missed this thread???
JazakumAllah khair everyone posted their amazing tips. Recently I am having a break from debating in several sites, more like need sometime to learn more about Islam. I will tell you about my experience when I am on my computer inshaAllah especially with such "low" people.

[Abdul-Fattah]

Selam aleykum

SubhanaAllah, reading these old posts back, I have in the last few weeks ignored my own advice on how to deal with agressive/insulting people. Maybe it's just the stress and 60h work/week, that's making me impatient with such people, but eitherway, may Allah subhana wa ta'ala have mercy with me. :blush:

[Aayah]

JazakAllah Khair brother Qatada for this thread, Its very important to know how to deal with such people as our reaction is a part of the debate itself, and our reactions are also showing what are Muslims made of. We have to always remind ourselves on the way our beloved prophet was dealing with disbelievers (Pagans)in Macca and (Jews) in Madinah and how his action was a reason for guiding many of them to the beauty of Islam.

Anyways, I have been in many Non-Muslims forums and went through some "bad" experiences with such people who use insults as their daily talk. When someone insult me I don't insult them back simply because of two reasons:
1. I don't lower myself to such level, as its one of the Muslim's good manners to keep his tongue clean from such dirt.
2. If I insult them back they will reply with worse words and we will keep on exchanging insults like kids and in most cases ignore the main purpose of the debate because everyone will focus on proving themselves and gain their pride.


I remembered once I was debating with some people about Islam and there were two people in specific who were more rude than everyone else there. They were only insulting Muslims there by coming up with new attack in every single post of them. One of them was in the Marines so you can imagine the hatred he hold toward Islam...anyways, at the beginning I was ignoring their insults and only addressed some points in their posts, but as we were going on I noticed that those two guys where exceeding their limits and the rest of people there were okay with that. I told everyone there in a polite way that I was polite with them so I am expecting receiving the same from them.
Some people got embarrassed by that and someone there quoted those two and told them that they should show better manners. Later on, I began to read better posts from everyone there except those 2 haters. Unfortunately it was ended up that those 2 haters attacked the one that told them to stop being so rude even though he was not a Muslim but a Christian "like them". Anyways, I stayed there for a while to explain some sincere comments posted by that person who was honest in seeking knowledge then I left. I asked Allah to guide him to the right path one day.

In general, it gets them even more irritated when we show politeness and calmness, I know its hard to keep ourselves, but in all ways we are the winners because at the end of the day we got the reward from Allah for what we do whether they like what we say or not.

I would like to add one more thing here. We should keep in mind that this is not only with Non-Muslims, but also with some Muslims who might differ with us in some views about some Islamic issues....in this case we should even be more careful in choosing our words. I hope everyone here got this point *hint* *hint*