> How Is Our Dawah and Debate

[al-boriqee]

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I pose the following information for all to use, but I specifically am targetting Salman and Acid due to specific questions pertaining to the subject.

The actual essence of this topic is
"How is our way of dawah, specifically addressing the antagonists in crumbling their theories into the pithole it came from on an academic level"

there are several parts I must subdivide this topic

1. the first and foremost thing that must be completed is to watch this video.

PERFECT JUSTICE: Debunking the Male Bias Myth - by Yasir Qadhi

PERFECT JUSTICE: Debunking the Male Bias Myth - by Yasir Qadhi

this video is the best demonstration on this subject, why?. Because not only does it deal with the problem of polemics against Islam, it attacks the very basis from which these very polemics stem from. In other words, the reason why people ask us "why do you women cover" is not a question by which can be dealt with on a fiqh level, it has to be addressed from an aqidah level because they are viewing the world in a totally different perspective. For them, their aqida is one that is based off on the notion that good and bad can alter from on era to another. For them, the intellectual mind is the ultimate criteria in how to judge matters.

The video also addresses that the entire sphere of this polemic is centered on their platform, and if we debate on their platform, ur argument will never work. That is because we are not suppose to argue the validity of our religion from subsidararry fiqh issues, like the economics of Islam, or the womens hijaab, or child marraiges, or the hudood. All of these stem from the aqida of tawheed, and if there is ignorance in the aqida of tawheed, then by default of that, therewill be extreme ignorance in our shariah and how to understand it. If we continue to argue these fiqh points, then the polemics will never end, we will continue to be arguing like chickens with our heads cut off because after we tackle and convince them of the uprightness of women covering, then the next thing they can move on to is "why are men prohibited from wearing gold" and after we tackle that issue for several years, it will go on to "why do the men have to go to the mosque but not women" and on and on and on and it will never stop. By appraoching the matter ideologically through aqida, then you move from their playground of polemics into our playground. Once this happens , then the rules on our side, not theirs, because they have no steady basis from which and by which they can judge things to be right and wrong. And this is another fallacy in dealing with them in the issues they they bring up. That is that every so often through each generation, that which was abominable at one time is now applauded and cheered upon in another time, case in point homosexuality (what I call fagetism).

The point that the video is signying is that if we continue in our replies to their question, if we continue to surround ourselves within the framework of the subject that they questioned about, then we will not get anywhere. If they ask "why do you believe in jihad" it is baseless to even begin the reply within the framework of Jihad. If thye ask us why do our women cover, it is baseless to respond by saying "well, we want them to be appreciated for their inner beuaty not their outer beauty". Rather one must reply with an aqidah reply by saying "I do this because my Lord told me to". and then turn the wheel back on them by saying "do you want to know why I do this", and then you start pumping the supremacy of our beliefs and blast the illogic of theirs.

After the video, here are some other factors that need to be understood

2. properly understand the intent of the person you are addressing. The reason why that is is because sometimes their intent is slightly different than their wording, but always stick to the literal wording.

for example, if someone says "I do promote peace" and then says statements like "it would be better off to nuke them all" then you always have to stick to the literal words that they have said. If there is a contradiction, like this example I gave just now about nuking them all, then you have to physically prove how their statement is a contradiction to their claim of "I promote peace". Don;t just make the claim, back it up intellectual as to way it is contradictory and don't just yell "CONTRADICTION".

3. understand that all logic and reason is the quran and sunnah. if something is contrary to the qur'an and sunnah, it is by default illogical and backwards.

In this regard after understanding the meaning of what the opponents say, one must prove by way of intellectual basis the illogic of their ideas.

4. Always define the meaning of terms. this is a powerful weapon and a catastrophe at the same time. This means that if a term is not clearly define, then you may wind up losing the argument or making his argument appear to be acceptable. An example is the word "Islamist" and inquire to the opponenet what he means by such a label and then break it down from that point onward.

5. always be absolutely truthful. do not be of those who make up some kalaam in order to make Islam look good.
remember as a side note, the more you make yourself look like your opponent has the advantage, the better it is upon you because

6. Always attack the subject or intent they are trying to approve. I don;t no how many times I have reviewed how some of us geared of on a subject that was not even addressed originally by the opponent.

I will continue to add more inshalah

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[Assad]

MashAllah! I have now understood the basics which you taught in this post. I will now try to fantasize a conversation using these points in mind.

JazakAllah khair akhee! May Allah bless you.

[Qatada]

asalam alykum

How can u make up for acting confident at 1st, and later the people realising u werent really an expert on the topic based on ones poor responses to later questions?

[Umm Marwa Mustafa]

MashAllah, Very Good advise and structure!

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[Assad]

I think that first we should listen to all what brother Al-boriqee have to say rather than asking questions AT THIS STAGE. There should be a question time after this. As , MashAllah, what yet he told us, we would not have known If we would have kept looking here and there :)

[salman]

^Acid address the brother properly, ya akhee.

Jazak Allah khayr brother boriquee for sharing this and I look forward to rest of your post

[al-boriqee]

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A few more prime directives to pierce further into this style of polemis which no one before us (I mean within the last 20 years) has treaded upon before. And that is the following

Understanding the Fundamental Realities of the Ideological Divide

You will not succeed in this polemic until you become fully cognisant of the intricacies of the schism between our thought and the western thought. The first video I gave of Yasir Qadhi was a primer on this topic and I personally must have LITERALLY heard this lecture no less than 40 times.

The next tool in this process of education is

Intelligent Faith: The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam - Yasir Qadhi

Intelligent Faith: The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam - Yasir Qadhi

This video is necessary to understand the issue of the aqidah concerning the aql between us and the west.

then after you acquaint yourself with this video at least several times for it to soak in well, then the next tool in the progression of this effort is

YouTube- Yasir Qadhi - Progress with the Progressives (very good)

YouTube- Yasir Qadhi - Progress with the Progressives (very good)

This video is necessary tool because it addresses everyone who adopts the western paradigm as a whole, both the kuffar and the munafiqs like the progressives and extreme modernists. Listen to this carefully along with the story line as the story he give within the first 25 some off minutes is pivotal to understand the nature of our current situation.

[PLEASE NOTE: I do not specifically sanction none of the fiqh or manhaj views of this brother on certain topics. I specifically only refer you all to him solely due to the fact that he speaks genuinely from a sunni or salafi backdrop on these issues and he is very good on this topic]


After these steps have been taken then refer to these for more in-depth expose on this divide

The Ideological Divide Between Islam and the West � al-Mustaqeem Publications

after that, then this

The Role of Reason and Intellect Between Modern Western Paradigm and Islam � al-Mustaqeem Publications

after you have aquianted yourself with the above arsenal then chekc this following link to see a demonstration of a breakdown of how I dealt with the thoughts of a deranged individual

The Four Syndromes that Result in Western Ignorance � al-Mustaqeem Publications


Learning the Religion In-Depth

I do not know how much emphasis I must place on this to you all. It is more than essential that you totally infuse yourself in seeking knowledge several hours of your day.

I must incorperate arabic here because it is part of understanding the fiqh of the religion. Arabic will fully aid you in your endeavor because as I have seen, even the "experts" of Islam who were "formerly known as palestinian terrorists" do not understand the hardcore aspects of classical lugha. All tat they know is ammiyya with some basics of nahw.

You must be fully involved in hadeeth and its sciences and how the scholars have explained ahadeeth.

You must fully gound yourself in the quran and its sciences.

Basically in essence, you must learn the more inner details or intermediate aspects of the religion and if your not fully knowing the beginner aspects, then it is a must that you advance yourself in order to become of those who at least "know what their talking about" so you won't look stupid when putting yourself out there.

Most importantly, one must know the intermediate aspects of aqidah, the nature of the Attributes of Allah, the aqiah of tawheed, the inner aspects of eman and kufr, The nature of Hukm and so on.

Using the Usefull Works of Others

This is very important. We are not the first to have pioneered into this field. here are some of those before us

go to this page Sacred Freedom - Western Liberalist Ideologies in the Light of Islam
and download the book for free, you must agree not to distribute it. He is the same author who did wahhabimyth.com

this book is more on the intellectual side as the author purely disects the sociological and psychological nature of our thought and theirs truely a primer in this field. I must confess, this book is what really turned by engine on to this field even though I was doing so for years before, but I was like you guys, I didn't know how to fully approach the matter.

After you have read this work, please, it is a must, that you get one of the most awesome works to have been produced as of yet. Here it is

One can purchase it here http://islamicbookstore.com/b6633.html

ISBN: 1891540114
Author: Dr. Abdul Rahmaan al-Mutairi, Trans. Jamaal Zarabo
Publisher: Al-Basheer Publications & Translations
Pages: 643 Binding: Hardback
Description from the publisher:
From the back cover: “In this work, the noted author Dr. Shaikh Abdul-Rahmaan al-Luwaihiq has concentrated on many of the manifestations of extremism found in the Arab world. However, upon closer inspection, one will readily note that many of the ideas which Dr. al-Luwaihiq critiques can be found in many Muslim communities. Indeed, Dr. al-Luwaihiq touches upon many topics of direct concern to Muslim minorities living in the West. For example, he addresses the following topics:
The definition of extremism and its parameters from a Shareeah perspective, The place and importance of the hijrah, The ruling for the hijrah under different circumstances, The definition of taqleed and the question of making an oath of allegiance to a group’s leader, The ruling of taking a governmental post under a tyrant Muslim ruler, The Shareeah conditions and parameters for declaring another Muslim a disbeliever.
These are the kinds of issues that Muslims are often confused about. Dr. al-Luwaihiq has also done an excellent job in the way that he handles these issues. He does not simply present the views of the extremists and critique them. Instead, he presents the issue from the point of view of the scholars of the ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jamaah. If there is a difference of opinion on an issue, he presents the issue in detail, giving all of the relevant proofs for each viewpoint. Then he tries to determine the strongest view on the issue. It is only after presenting the correct view that he evaluates the extremists. He allows them, by quoting them at length, to present their own viewpoint. After that, he gives a critical analysis of their viewpoints and clearly shows where and how they have erred. This is indeed an excellent and very beneficial approach that he has followed.”


Also Zarabozo did something on apostasy called "Apostasy: the Current Hype" or someting like that.

Understanding the Issues We are Being Targeted for

The main issues under atack are our shariah, specifically the hudood along with some aspects of gender based values and ethics, jihad (of course). The best writer on the subject of shariah, I must confess is the great writer, the doctor, Dr. Nyazee.

I posted the resources of his work on the Multaqa ahll-Hadeeth which can be refered to here

Ilmu-Shar'i in English - Multaqa Ahl al-Hadeeth

The Shaykh Nyazee is a Hanfee trained specialized who speaks highly of all of the islamic heritage including the thoughts of Ibn Taymiyyah. read these works.
[NOTE: do not believe that you will become an expert at merely reading these books, even in arabic. It must be leanred by the mouths of men n order to get the full fiqh of the knowledge.]


Aquaint Yourself with History

This is one of the biggest advantages you have against the antagonist of Islam. That is that they are completely in the dark of actual history, both Islamic history and other histories. It is through history that you will be able to decipher who is the idiot and who is the acceptable one among your opponents that your debating with. It is like lugha, if you know it and your opponent does not, you can easily make him look like a fool within his baseless arguments.

I believe I have comepleted for the most part the necessitaties of this field but I may add on later for tune ups inshallah

asalamu alaikum

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Qatada

asalam alykum

How can u make up for acting confident at 1st, and later the people realising u werent really an expert on the topic based on ones poor responses to later questions?

its simple.

be the Imaam shafi''e #2

In other words, when he was asked something that he did not know, he simply said 'I do not know"

Therefore, if this is your primal manhaj, then that means your not going to talk about that which you do not have knowledge about. that is why in the recent post I made, I think that learning the religion should come first before going into the other stuff.

[al-boriqee]

further aspects of education

I forgot to mention brother Jalal Abualrub, a true salafi sunni brother who is strong in debate against the chrisitans and kuffar.

However, where most people concentrate within the realm of the arguments pointed out by the antagonist of Islam, My goal is geared towards piercing into how the ideological manhaj of these antagonists were corrupt and illogical in the first place in order to come out with those arguments to begin with. That is why you must be grounded in aqeedah.

secondly, regarding debate, listen to this lecture from our brother Bassam Zawaadi
http://www.archive.org/download/02--...ssamZawadi.zip

asalamu alaikum