> Why will I be banned? [Split from women absolute obedience to husband]

[salman]

Clarifying why and how can some people are likely to get banned due to their certain actions and behaviour. This is mainly directed to non-Muslims and deviant Muslims on the board.

lol, silver, it seem a week ban did not have any affect on you and it seems once bro Abdul returns you both will be getting a permanent ban. hahahaha, I can only laugh at how that will turn out.

[TheBoxer]

Originally Posted by salman

lol, silver, it seem a week ban did not have any affect on you and it seems once bro Abdul returns you both will be getting a permanent ban. hahahaha, I can only laugh at how that will turn out.

Banned for what? This thread was started to discuss the difference between women and their husbands in Christianity versus in Islam. And this is what we have been discussing. I have not seen any violation of the rules being made. No one has insulted anyone (well, I've been insulted in other threads, but that is besides the point), and no one has insulted Islam.

What do you want, salman? Obsequious agreement? Unquestioning accommodation for YOUR views only? Come now. That's not what this forum is for. It is about learning, and no one can learn without questioning. Asking questions, offering alternative views, and critical analysis are KEY in education. Unless, of course, one is only seeking to brainwash his students.

~TheBoxer

P.S. And I think your most recent post in this thread would be considered a violation of the forum rules because it is not on-topic.

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by salman

lol, silver, it seem a week ban did not have any affect on you and it seems once bro Abdul returns you both will be getting a permanent ban. hahahaha, I can only laugh at how that will turn out.

Note - just to be clear, I was upset by this comment and wrote to Salman privately but he ha asked it be public.

A ban for what exactly.
When I first came to this board it was you who insisted on and in many way taught contributors to use logical thinking and avoidance of fallacies and in this respect you have said a number of times not to use the ad hominum fallacy and so when I read this message I expected better of you than what amounts to a threat. Sadly, it now seems this was all perhaps a front and a way to avoid difficult questions.

I do not think you can find a single place where I have insulted Islam or the Qu'ran and neither have I resorted to personal insults towards you or your religion. I posted a question in this thread for you, it was in three parts the first was to expand some definitions you gave because I felt them to be too narrow. Secondly, I asked did the hadith have injunctions about the necessity of love in a marriage and lastly, I quoted a notable Islamic lawyer and asked for your comment on what he said as it raises it seems a valid objection to a man having more than one wife.

You have offered no answer except to engage in insults and threats. Let me rehearse some of them:

1. You message above is a threat and you think it funny - such a post is not an answer and not conducive to equitable discussion.

2. Thread - In Christian women absolute obedience to the husband VS The prophet (saw) comment on women. Post 7

Your comment - our laugh is more than enough to refute your load of rubbish idiotic response.
you got any more blunders in your bag?

This is not an argument and you are simply seeking to belittle in this case Boxer. Would you be happy as an administrator if I responded to what you said in the same way? Can you answer this question?

Post 2 Christian missionaries are just desperate and they will do anything to attack Islam even if it exposes their foolishness and lack of reasoning. In fact, this is how the propagators of falsehood work.

This is not an argument it is just what looks like a biased view and it is sadly becoming your usual form of attack to insult these 'missionaries' whoever they are

Thread Re: Has Qur'an been Preserved? Post 34

Your Comment - Like I told you before, we know and in and out of you people more than yourselves; so, there is no need for hide and seek.
What kind of argument is this to make such an arrogant statement, you now 'us' better than we know ourselves.

There are many more

[SilverLJ]

Originally Posted by Abdul-Fattah

Selam aleykum, be that as it may, I will not indulge in his intellectual hide and seek where he does not respond to pages of rebutals I posted against his arguments, but instead chooses to bring a slight variation of that argument in a different thread. Let's not forget that we did not want our forums cluttered with debates, and that we only allowed interreligious discussion on this forum, if it were with the genuine intention to learn; not if it is the poster's intention to preech his deviant vieuwpoints. In all honesty, for a moment I was even considering a permanent ban.

This is not entirely true and if I may say so you are simply assuming that you can refute any argument given. If I refer to you arguments below where you quote extensively from 3 sources. I simply pointed out that the papers were specific not general and that each of them had qualifications so in my opinion your conclusions were biased. This is not a slight variation it is saying that you may not be right and I cannot see anything wrong with saying such a thing - can you?

I know you have used the arguments many many times to other and to me but all I have done is say that overall they are not justified and to do that I quoted from the papers themselves.

So it appears that I am to be banned for showing a weakness perhaps a fatal weakness in your arguments. If you can repair the weakness then let's hear what you have to say. Otherwise it looks as if your policy is to ban those who you cannot refute.

[Abdul-Fattah]

Originally Posted by SilverLJ

This is not entirely true and if I may say so you are simply assuming that you can refute any argument given. If I refer to you arguments below where you quote extensively from 3 sources. I simply pointed out that the papers were specific not general and that each of them had qualifications so in my opinion your conclusions were biased. This is not a slight variation it is saying that you may not be right and I cannot see anything wrong with saying such a thing - can you?

That comment was not in response to you questioning my sources, but rather in response to your claim of Islam being a religion that preaches discrimination.

So it appears that I am to be banned for showing a weakness perhaps a fatal weakness in your arguments. If you can repair the weakness then let's hear what you have to say. Otherwise it looks as if your policy is to ban those who you cannot refute.

Not true at all. You were banned for continuously insulting Islam by claiming that it preaches discrimination while I have repeatedly explained you that Islam does not preach any such thing. The first two times you made such a claim I took the time to write a whole page of arguments refuting your claim. The first time you didn't even bother responding to it. The second time you simply dismissed my arguments without taking the least effort in defeating them. The third time I gave you a warning, and now the fourth time you were banned. This has nothing to do with exposing any weakness or anything. I just can't be bothered in having the same conversation over and over again with you, and we can't have you preaching such biased insulting views all over the forum either. Considering I had in the past also given you numerous warnings reminding you of the forum rules and all, I think my actions were certainly justified. In fact the ban wasn't even personal, or due to emotional investment, but just a pragmatic choice.

[salman]

I am going to close this for now and post my clarifiation regarding the rules once and for all. We have already clarified the rules and explained them on more than few occasions. Despite the fact, it is sad to hear such things so I am going to clear this up and anyone who goes against it next time will get what they deserve.

[salman]

first, I am not going to reply to any of the unfair attack against the staff, specifically myself because it is not worth it and half of them were taken out of context

secondly, this is the last time I am going to clarify this matter if any of the old member violates this rule again then we will ban him/her without any warning.

Bismilah

1 - This is an Islamic board which is mainly intended for Muslims to learn about Islam. Our main goal is to revive the sunni da'wah and provide a platform for Muslims to learn.

2 - You are here as a guest and this is a privilege given to you; therefore, it is obligatory upon you to behave like a guest and observe the proper manners of a guest. You do not tell us how we suppose to do things.

3 - Because the board is based upon the pure Islamic methodology, we do not allow spreading of falsehood neither personal insults or insulting Islam is tolerated; learn more about it here. We may allow certain discussions sometime but we have the right to remove, edit, or delete the post or ban you when it crosses our tolerance level.

4 - Having said that we do allow non-Muslims to register and ask questions. But you are not allowed to post random attacks & accusations against Islam or propagate your faith. You are only allowed to start a discussion in form of a question or when you seeking some clarifications. If your intention is to start an endless beating around bush debate then sooner or later we are going to figure it out and you will be warned.

5 - When you want to criticize Islam or the teachings of Ahlus Sunnah, you should also expect the same in return. You will be tackled harshly or gently depending on your actions and speech; however, we will not criticize you unjustly or unfairly.

6 - Our methodology is based upon discipline and obedience: we willingly wholeheartedly submit to the Will of Allah and we hear and obey. Our methodology is not apologetic or modernist like many of the other so called Islamic forums. So few things: 1) No one said that you have to like Islam neither we are going to make sure that you love Islam and embrace it 2) to understand Islam objectively you need to approach and understand using Islamic principles and standards, which are based upon Islamic theology. If you do not understand Islamic theology and creed then you will never learn anything or understand Islamic rulings: a religion is judged and based upon its theology/doctrine and NOT jurisprudence rulings 3) random 'why why' is not objective approach or proper criticism or mode of learning

7 - So keeping all the above in mind, if you ask a question and it has been already responded or clarified then you are not allowed to repeat that question again or even worse introduce it in a form of an argument. Because 1) you are telling us that you are not here to learn & 2) you are simply spouting falsehood. Sometime we may give you the benefit of doubt and clarify the matter again. However, we have the right to impose the forum rules on you and remove whatever we deem outside the realm of our tolerance level. If you do not like our answers or not satisfied then no one said you have to like them neither we are asking you to submit to them.

8 - If you do not like how we do things around here then you are more than welcome to leave and go to some other board. Even though we encourage honest feedback but the last thing we want to hear is that you unfairly criticize the staff for having all these rules and telling us how we should be running a forum. This is not your house so keep that in mind!

I hope this clarifies the matter