> bad replies in IL !!!

[binnasoordeen]

brother is IL getting worse day by day ?

[salman]

Jazak Allah khayran for your concern brother. But what makes you raise this question?

[binnasoordeen]

don't get me wrong ok cuz this is what I felt when going through this forum !

some refutations specially made by u and boreeq r in an insulting manner

why I say this is because I am a regular reader in multaqa

but in multaqa mod bro Ayman bin khaild is more quit and calm in replies masha allah

i mean his replying style interests me alot masha allah

but urs and boreeqs rnt

few months back I read some replies boreeq tells u salman u were little hard on them hold ur horses
then u say I gave him a shot !!! LIKE.....

brother I am not here to tell u that this is correct in islam and this is wrong but ur writing style is in a very insulting manner !!!

I remember I have read some ahadeeth that prophet muhamad SAW was a very soft person !!! (correct me If I am wrong)

its up to you accepting or denying but this is what I felt when going through this forum

edit :

I am not blaming u brother but since I like this forum I just highlighted some experience which I had and iz it allowed in islam to speak harshly ? in a debate or in a discussion ?

[salman]

smile, jazak Allah khayran akh - I appreciate your nasheea and concern. May Allah reward you greatly for bringing this up, ameen, and I love you for Allah. I don't speak for others; so, akh boriqee will have to respond to your concern himself

1 - If you think that a post is insulting then please report that post by clicking on red triangle icon on left side of every post at end.

2 - The style of ustad Ayman is exemplary and I admit that I am nowhere near like him. He is very good at articulating his points due to his knowledge and upbringing and even when he is harsh it is not noticeable.

3 - We are all different and for me people who display lack common sense and their ignorance while being stubborn and insincere do no deserve any benefit of doubt and deserve harsh criticism. Insha'Allah, you will not find me harsh with every single person.

4 - As far whether in Islam harsh criticism is allowed in debates and discussions, I am not certain; Allahu A'lam

I will try my best to control my anger and use words wisely; please do make dua'a for me, insha'Allah.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by farshad

don't get me wrong ok cuz this is what I felt when going through this forum !

some refutations specially made by u and boreeq r in an insulting manner

why I say this is because I am a regular reader in multaqa

but in multaqa mod bro Ayman bin khaild is more quit and calm in replies masha allah

i mean his replying style interests me alot masha allah

but urs and boreeqs rnt



brother I am not here to tell u that this is correct in islam and this is wrong but ur writing style is in a very insulting manner !!!

I remember I have read some ahadeeth that prophet muhamad SAW was a very soft person !!! (correct me If I am wrong)

its up to you accepting or denying but this is what I felt when going through this forum

barakallahu feek for the reminder.

I wished you could have pin point the exact locations of these mistakes of ours for future rectification, but if there is nothing demonstrative, then we have nothing to fall back on in terms of recitfication

secondly, if others were to step up to articulate the orthodox creed in reply to others, I would be glad to take the back end, honestly. But when people remain aloof, it pushes us to speak even in the midst of our lack of wanting to speak. I would be glad to hand the torch for others, but no one outside of the handful among us is really on the ball.

edit :

I am not blaming u brother but since I like this forum I just highlighted some experience which I had and iz it allowed in islam to speak harshly ? in a debate or in a discussion ?

the rule on this is ease and gentleness is the general rule of thumb and harshness is the exception.

in other words there is no such thing as all ease and no harshness, nor is there all harshness with no ease
because the mesenger said
"the fact of the matter is is that Allah is Rafeequn (gentle) and he loves gentleness, and He gives (accommodates/aids) to gentleness what He does not give to harshness"

harshness comes into play in specific circumstances and is usually preceeded with an abundant amount of admonishment, and after a person continually pushes it aside would the scholars adopt a different measure, in most cases these measures being more extreme.

on this tangent I remember the following

Abu Abdullaah Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Mufarraj said, “Abu Ja’far Ahmad bin Awn illaah (d. 378H) would show rejection against the People and Innovation and call them to account, showing extreme harshness against them, utterly humiliating them, always seek to pick out their faults, rushing to damage them, vehemently oppressive against them, chasing them away whenever he was able to, not allowing them to remain. And every one of them (Ahl ul-Bid’ah) used to be frightened of him, and would seek to hide and protect himself from him. He (Abu Ja’far Ahmad) would never compromise with a single one of them, and nor would he allow any of them to remain safe. And if he came across evil and witnessed any deviation from the Sunnah, he would oppose it and would disgrace and humiliate (its perpetrator), and he would announce the affair of this person and declare his own disownment of him by mentioning the evil of such a one in the various public gatherings, and he would incite others against him such that he either destroyed him or caused him to abandon his evil and repugnant madhhab and his evil doctrine. And he would never cease to remain upon this habit, making Jihaad therein, seeking the Face of Allaah, up until he met Allaah.” (Taareekh Dimashq 5/118). And he is the Muhaddith, Imaam, Ahmad bin Awn illaah bin Hudair Abu Ja’far al-Andalusee al-Qurtubee (d. 378H).

sometimes akhee, certain measures have to be taken outside of the norm of gentleness, and those times where I did exercise, from my viewpoint were few and far in between and more importantly warranted. I would not be harsh except that
1. it was needed and substantiated
2. that it would cause the recipient to reflect since gentleness was not enough for the cause of reflection

at any rate, barakallahu feekum

[Assad]

I think this is a very nice topic raised.

We should remember that everyone have their own style of debate, writing and discussion. As far as within the realms of Islamic teaching, It should be appreciated as a diversified way of writing.

Some people just dont understand a point If you talk to them softly, they need to be criticized blatantly to open their minds to what we are saying. So we can safely say that no one method suits everyone.

However I do believe that there is a 'wide' room to remain soft and calm. This is my greatest learning from the forum itself.


May Allah forgive us and guide us.

[Tema]

You can't be always kind. That is the belief of the ikhwan.

[binnasoordeen]

^ I think Unknown pointed out salman not that ikhwan !

also --
but now I feel like IL and the multaqa forum are the most suitable place 4 me as akee salman pointed out in another thread that IL aims 4 quality over quantity !

@salman N al-boriqe
I am sorry if I hurt ur feelings and sorry 4 adding al-boriqee into this mess its a mistake !!!
actually people should get angry when alquran and sunnah is not followed correctly

prophets companions they also quickly got anger when they see an action against alquran and sunnah

I think I only read some explosive dissucssions of akee salmaan but u r a cool and a good person what makes u so explosive when answering kuffars and Other sect muslims ?

[salman]

First, the off topic posts have been moved to Who are Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen?

@farshad

akh, may Allah preserve you, IL is nothing but you and me and others; it is nothing without you and others. It is property of every single member. Hence, you have the right to raise your voice and correct whatever is wrong and advise the staff to stick to the Qur'an and the sunnah and way of the salaf. How can we be sure that we are presenting correct teachings of Islam in the best way if we don't get any advices from you people and correct our mistakes? We, not just as IL, but as Muslims are a big family and we need to make sure that everyone is holding the same rope and following everyone else and not going off tangent. Therefore, your concern is very noble and may Allah reward you greatly for reminding us of our shortcomings and taking your time to advise us.

As far your question, I have hard time controlling my anger when people utter falsehood specially when it is accompanied by ignorance and arrogance. I am trying everyday to bring changes in my behaviour and learn to be more patient. Insha'Allah, make dua'a for me.