> Science reasons on pork.

[Sensationnz]

Asallamalikum

i found this great video and inshallah it will be beneficial.

wsallam

YouTube- Why Pigs are Considered to be unClean Animals ??!!

YouTube- Why Pigs are Considered to be unClean Animals ??!!

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[TheBoxer]

You do realize, don't you, that you are more likely to get ill from poultry than from pork?

Whatever "science" there is to prove that pork is 'unclean', there is far more science to prove that chickens and cows are just as 'unclean' if not more so.

Simply research the statistics on poultry-related diseases, especially salmonella. Also, do a little research into the conditions of large chicken farms. What you learn will disgust you.

And have you ever heard of a little thing called a prion? Yeah, it's this nasty little infectious protein that causes bovine spongiform encephalopathy. That's a fancy way of saying "mad cow disease." And the scary thing is that scientists have linked this with a new variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease in humans.

But, those are clean meats. Unlike those dirty, old pigs that very rarely (in developed countries) make anybody sick.

~TheBoxer

[Sensationnz]

Asallamalikum

let me ask you a simple question, "Does a cow eat its dead child" " Does a chicken eat other sick and infected animals there scavengers"...

Im quoting from the video instead of jumping to the last stair please take 1 at a time. Its not sheikh ahamad deedat, or Zakir Naik, or Bassam, telling us that pork is unclean its your own christian.

May be you should reconsider, and view the video again.

Wsallam

[TheBoxer]

Asallamalikum

let me ask you a simple question, "Does a cow eat its dead child" " Does a chicken eat other sick and infected animals there scavengers"...

Im quoting from the video instead of jumping to the last stair please take 1 at a time. Its not sheikh ahamad deedat, or Zakir Naik, or Bassam, telling us that pork is unclean its your own christian.

May be you should reconsider, and view the video again.

Wsallam

Christians have the right to say what they want and follow whatever dietary rules they want...however, it is STILL ludicrious to try and prove that pigs are somehow more 'unclean' than the other meats we commonly eat.
　
Chickens will eat their dead young. Scramble up some of their own eggs and see if those mother hens don't eat 'em. Cannibalism is very common in chickens and is, in fact, one of the main causes of mortality in laying hens. The reason cows do not eat their dead young is because cows are strictly herbivores. They cannot digest meat. Pigs, however, are omnivores, and like humans and chickens, can digest meat as well as plants.
　
And you really do not want me to get started on seafood.

If anything, everyone should be a vegetarian if they're going to be so concerned with the behaviors of the animals they eat.

~TheBoxer

[salamfromrom]

who cares if pork can be just as clean and healthy as other meats, it was forbidden in the Qur'an and that's all we need to know.

P.S. I could never really stomach pork so it's really easy for me to stay away from it since I get sick if I eat even a little bit :-P

[Assad]

TheBoxer,

I understand that yo are bringing on your stubborness even here in this thread but it is far more clear that pork is the dirtiest animal and this is a scientifically proven fact. Dont bring chicken and goats in between, you are only making a fool of yourself.

I wont be replying to you further on your absurdity here, trying to prove that pig is cleaner than others while it has been proven otherwise.

[Umm Sufyaan]

^just ban her. really. like that deserves to be put in the bin. no?

[Abdul-Fattah]

Hi

Originally Posted by TheBoxer

You do realize, don't you, that you are more likely to get ill from poultry than from pork?

Sorry but that's simply not true.

Whatever "science" there is to prove that pork is 'unclean', there is far more science to prove that chickens and cows are just as 'unclean' if not more so.

1. Parasites & bacteria.
The number of bacteria and parasites found in pigs are much higher compared to almost any other creature, and certainly compared to all other creatures that are commonly eaten by mankind. Sure there's a risk of salmonella with poultry, but only if it's not coocked! If you cook poultry well there is no risk at all.
2. Virusses.
A common method for virusses to enter the cell is trough membrane fusion, the other is trough receptor mediated endocytosis. In layman's terms that means, our cells have a receptor on it, and the coat of the virus acts as a key triging a door to open. Now different species have different "locks" on their receptors therefor we cannot get all diseases from all animals. We do however share in common the same receptor with pigs. Therefor we can get pig diseases. Pigs in their turn als ohave a scond receptor which they have in common with some birds. So pigs can get bird diseases, and as this virus reproduces and exits the pig cells, some get a coat that acts as "bird-key" and some get a coat that acts as "human-key". So it's quite easy for pigs to pass on bird diseases to mankind (which we normally couldn't get infected by directly from birds). That's exactly what happened a few years ago with the asian bird flu. So not only can we get pig diseases from eating pigs, we can also get all sorts of other diseases from other animals trough pigs (because the birds then in their turn have other receptors in common with other animals and so on...)
3. Fats
Compared to other animals, pigs don't only have allot of fat, but the fat of pigs is also saturated fat, which is bad for cardiovescular diseases. (Still one of the main causes of death in the west).

But, those are clean meats. Unlike those dirty, old pigs that very rarely (in developed countries) make anybody sick.

In developped countries... So it should be ok for us to eat pig, but not for poor people? Where do you draw the line then? So you're saying God should have made the rules different and allowed rich people to eat pork? So a rule that benefits millions of people should be abandoned for teh saek of a small elite society? Perhaps God should have made the rules infinitly complex with dozens of exceptions on each rule, and special clausules and variations? Btw, isn't the pigflu, eh I mean mexican flu international now?So what good did our "development" do us in keeping these diseases outiside? With our constantly evolving rate of transportation, and the growing international economy it's insane to suggest different standards for different countries.

Christians have the right to say what they want and follow whatever dietary rules they want...however, it is STILL ludicrious to try and prove that pigs are somehow more 'unclean' than the other meats we commonly eat.

something about offence being the best defence? I'd say it's ludicrous to try and deny it.
　

Chickens will eat their dead young. Scramble up some of their own eggs and see if those mother hens don't eat 'em.

There's a huge diffrence between a chicken eating scrambled eggs, and a chicken eating dead chicks. If you can't see that, then it seems you're twisting and turning to avoid the obvious.

Cannibalism is very common in chickens and is, in fact, one of the main causes of mortality in laying hens.

No it is not common. Canibalism in captivated chickens is considered an abnormality. And to say it is the main cause of mortality among hens is quite misleading to the frequency of it happening. Most chickens die when they are slaughtered for consumption. Only a small percentage dies of other causes. And canabalism isn't the only cause of death among that small percentage of other causes.

[Aayah]

Do we really need to have such prolonged discussions and proofs?

Just see and compare. Where pigs live? what do they eat? Google is very handy in such issue!!

That's it, end of the story! it doesnt need a high level of intelligence!!

Boxer, if you have so much free time in your hand then I suggest you to go and learn Islam properly instead of those hatred posts you fill the forum with.

[Sensationnz]

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Originally Posted by Umm Sufyaan

^just ban her. really. scrum like that deserves to be put in the bin. no?

Sister, i think you are right sister, it seems llike she doesnt care what we reply, she didnt even watch the video (im guessing).... and yet she brings chicken and cow between it, while the topic is on "porks". its like were having a discussion on "IS jesus GOD" she changes the topic on "is Mohammed god ".. NEizubullah. Im actually trying to stay away from starting a new discussion. This topic was to show that it isn't a muslim out on the stage saying , god has forbid us to eat pork. Its A Christian missioanry or preach.

Walla hu Alam