> Debate Sunnipath or Islamqa? (Split from Trustworthy Fatwa Sites)

[Al-Zaara]

Selam aleykum, brother islamirama

I'm sorry it took so long, I had already forgotton about this.

This fatwa at least has made me raise my eyebrows, as a whole it seems no problem, but I did highlight what I didn't find reasonable. So here it is:


http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1692&ln=eng

Names whose use is forbidden

Question:
Are there any names which it is forbidden to use? If so, what are they?

Answer:

Using foreign names, such as Turkish, Persian, Berber, etc. names, that have no origin in the Arabic language.

[Mu'adh]

Would just like to mention, that the following excerpt from the fatwa:

Using foreign names, such as Turkish, Persian, Berber, etc. names, that have no origin in the Arabic language.

Is actually nowhere to be found in the Arabic text of the Fatwa. In fact, nor can I find it in the French translation for that matter! It has only been added into the English translation, as far as I can see, so I assume it was something to do with the translator.

[Al-Zaara]

Originally Posted by Mu'adh

Would just like to mention, that the following excerpt from the fatwa:



Is actually nowhere to be found in the Arabic text of the Fatwa. In fact, nor can I find it in the French translation for that matter! It has only been added into the English translation, as far as I can see, so I assume it was something to do with the translator.

Aleykum selam we rahmetallahu we berekathu,

But subhanAllah, that is horrible then!

Can you then notify the site about this, inshaAllah?

[jzcasejz]

Just for that reason alone, it wasn't fair to claim the site has "slightly disturbing" fatawa. People might get the wrong impression when reading that.

[Al-Zaara]

Originally Posted by jzcasejz

Just for that reason alone, it wasn't fair to claim the site has "slightly disturbing" fatawa. People might get the wrong impression when reading that.

You know what, I never stated it was "just that reason", so it's not fair of you to jump at me like that.

I gave one example, because the brother asked me to bring forth some examples. I cannot go and find every fatwa that has caused me some wondering etc.! I did find more, but then it hit me I felt like being put infront of a judging table! In the end, wasn't it more like HELPFUL that I did show the fatwa here? Now someone who knew Arabic 'n French could tell me it wasn't found in Arabic or French, which now must be helpful to the site aswell, for they can clear a confusion!! (InshaAllah the brother could inform them, or I can do it.)

So I rest my case here inshaAllah.

But lastly: There are different opinions and what I wanted to highlight is that IslamQA's fatawa are not absolute for everyone, so inshaAllah you and others won't be too hard on me or others for following another stance in some situations, and I mean this when there is evidence inshaAllah.


Selam aleykum

[islamirama]

Jazakallahu khair for sharing that sister zara and same to the akhi pointing out technical error than then human in the text. Not just technical problems, we can also easily misunderstand something if we haven't read much on the topic or just aren't looking at it in a different perspective. I'm guess you haven't read much on that site sis zarah, otherwise you would've found other answers on this topic where they specifically said that you don't have to change your names so long as it does not have any bad meaning or is unislamic in anyway.

Anyways, We know there are difference of opinions out there on many matters. There are some that there is enough evidence and majority of scholars agree with that we should stick that and then some that go this way or that way. Our aim isn't to find a fatwa that suits or supports our way of life (like some muslims do) but rather change our way of lives as it is our akhirah at stake here and nothing less.

So inshallah lets us share knowledge in good spirit and proper adabs. Btw, just a general advice - a person will get a lot further in life if he/she put her/his statements in a Question format rather then statement :)

[Al-Zaara]

Originally Posted by islamirama

Jazakallahu khair for sharing that sister zara and same to the akhi pointing out technical error than then human in the text. Not just technical problems, we can also easily misunderstand something if we haven't read much on the topic or just aren't looking at it in a different perspective. I'm guess you haven't read much on that site sis zarah, otherwise you would've found other answers on this topic where they specifically said that you don't have to change your names so long as it does not have any bad meaning or is unislamic in anyway.

I had read it throughly, this is why I found the statement to be confusing and racist towards non-Arabs, which the site doesn't promote elhamdulillah.

Our aim isn't to find a fatwa that suits or supports our way of life (like some muslims do) but rather change our way of lives as it is our akhirah at stake here and nothing less.

Exactly. :)

So inshallah lets us share knowledge in good spirit and proper adabs. Btw, just a general advice - a person will get a lot further in life if he/she put her/his statements in a Question format rather then statement :)

Haha, well, in person it would be heard from my voice that it wasn't an absolute statement, guess I have trouble showing it in my posts aswell. :)

Oh and another general advice would be for myself and everyone - read the post properly and do not go off-topic, avoid making conclusions of your own by asking for an explanation first. :)

[islamirama]

Originally Posted by Al-Zara

I had read it throughly, this is why I found the statement to be confusing and racist towards non-Arabs, which the site doesn't promote elhamdulillah.

No one is saying you haven't read it throughly, what i said was you haven't read much on that site, meaning you didn't get to other posts on the same topic, otherwise you would've found other posts to would shed more light on this topic.

Khair, jazakallah for the advice. May we all benefit from each other in here inshallah.

[Al-Zaara]

Originally Posted by islamirama

No one is saying you haven't read it throughly, what i said was you haven't read much on that site, meaning you didn't get to other posts on the same topic, otherwise you would've found other posts to would shed more light on this topic.

Well, I do not want to argue or anything, but I indeed did read many fatawa on that same topic there. You mean it was explained somewhere else why they said 'Turkish, Persian etc. names' aren't accepted? For in all the others I couldn't find explanations to it, for I had only issues with that part and no other. But kheyr.

I wonder are there more fatawa sites than these already mentioned? I've never really bothered to search, I usually listen to my father who listens to the Hanafi ulema in Turkey, elhamdulillah.

Khair, jazakallah for the advice. May we all benefit from each other in here inshallah.

Amiin inshaAllah.

[islamirama]

Originally Posted by Al-Zara

Well, I do not want to argue or anything, but I indeed did read many fatawa on that same topic there. You mean it was explained somewhere else why they said 'Turkish, Persian etc. names' aren't accepted? For in all the others I couldn't find explanations to it, for I had only issues with that part and no other. But kheyr.

I wonder are there more fatawa sites than these already mentioned? I've never really bothered to search, I usually listen to my father who listens to the Hanafi ulema in Turkey, elhamdulillah.

As someone pointed out, there's an error in the translation. If you have read other fatwas on this topic then you would've found those fatwas stating that any name is fine so long as it doesn't have a bad meaning. You would've found them saying to the reverts that they can keep their name so long as it doesn't have any unislamic meaning. Also, you would've found them stating that sunnah is keep good islamic names and not saying about keeping arab names. You would not find anything there stating why you should not have turkish,persian, etc name or the such.

There maybe other fatwa sites out there but do you want quantity or quality? I trust fatwa-online.com and islamqa.com only. If you believe in hanafi and sticking to it then perhaps you should stick to taking knowledge from your dad only. Like i said, i'm hanafi as well but i take from Quran and Sunnah regardless of the madhab so being hanafi is not important nor a priority for me.

Khair, i think we are done with this topic. Inshalalh lets move on...