> What They Said About Sufism

[Asalaafiyah Alathariyah]

Assalamu Alaikuum Warahamatullahi Wabarakatuh

jazaka Allah Khayran brother..
but i dont think they are like that .. cuz my granmum is sufi and some of my uncles .. plus my dad was but nomore alhamdulillah.. the thingy is i didnt see they are doing kind of this things.. they just make every thursday (Muwalid).. i think its the practising once than.. Wa Allahu A3lam..

Allah Musta3an

سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد ان لا إله الا انت استغفرك واتوب اليك

[Qatada]

asalam alaikum


the early sufis were good people, people like junaid al baghdadi etc. but we know that people have made alot of false stories about them too. they were good people who worshipped Allah and tried to not be attached to this world.

the times when sufism started becoming blameworthy is when certain people started to feel or portray that by wearing poorer clothes - they would get closer to Allah (although your sense of clothing doesn't show your closeness to Allah but the taqwa), others listened to music and danced while claiming that they're intoxicated with Allah's love. Some would even say that seeking knowledge is blameworthy, and that you should lock yourself up in a room and carry on saying 'Allah' and He will inspire you with knowledge. Now you see how over the periods of history, these small changes made them stray from the pure way of sunnah and salaf.

Those who stuck to the way of sunnah were good, but if you see many aspects of sufism today - they have many flaws, such as some believing in reincarnation, others in pantheism [wahdat-ul-wujud - God and creation being one], and you see how they've strayed from the pure teachings. So we don't say sufism is the pure islam (due to the huge differences in many of their subsects), although anyone who follows the way of the salaf as-salih is on the correct way (even if they claim to be sufis - because many people have been [mis]informed that the salaf are the sufis).

[Asalaafiyah Alathariyah]

Originally Posted by Qatada

asalam alaikum


the early sufis were good people, people like junaid al baghdadi etc. but we know that people have made alot of false stories about them too. they were good people who worshipped Allah and tried to not be attached to this world.

the times when sufism started becoming blameworthy is when certain people started to feel or portray that by wearing poorer clothes - they would get closer to Allah (although your sense of clothing doesn't show your closeness to Allah but the taqwa), others listened to music and danced while claiming that they're intoxicated with Allah's love. Some would even say that seeking knowledge is blameworthy, and that you should lock yourself up in a room and carry on saying 'Allah' and He will inspire you with knowledge. Now you see how over the periods of history, these small changes made them stray from the pure way of sunnah and salaf.

Those who stuck to the way of sunnah were good, but if you see many aspects of sufism today - they have many flaws, such as some believing in reincarnation, others in pantheism [wahdat-ul-wujud - God and creation being one], and you see how they've strayed from the pure teachings. So we don't say sufism is the pure islam (due to the huge differences in many of their subsects), although anyone who follows the way of the salaf as-salih is on the correct way (even if they claim to be sufis - because many people have been [mis]informed that the salaf are the sufis).

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^ Ow.. Okay Jazaka Allah Khayran .. Brother, cn i Ask you one Question.. Now My Cousins are Shafiis, But the things that i dont understand from shafii Madhab is.. that They do Mawlid..(Seeratul Nabwawi) and some imams of the Salaf's say that Mawlid Is Bidah but Why?.. while its really good learning the life of the prophet and sahaba.

They Also say that Masbaha is Bidah but Why??.. its just helpping yu from counting Allahu Alam if the prophet used that or the sahabs.. but its just helpping you from counting nothing else?


Have you got any idea brother?

[Qatada]

:wasalam:


This was written up a looong time back but insha Allah it might be useful about your question on the mawlid;



Bid'a: The Hidden Sin


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"The Sunnah is like the ship of Nooh (Noah). Whoever rides in it will be saved and whoever hangs back and does not get on board will be drowned."

Miftah al-Jannah fil-I'tisam bis-Sunnah by As-Suyooti.


Many times we hear the term bid'a flying around all over the place, or we rarely hear it at all until we start learning about islam. Some people are for it, and some people look at you with the evils if you use it.


Insha Allah we will try to grasp 3 main concepts, and by the end of this small discussion - you will be able to distinguish between a bid'a and a erm.. non bid'a? No, let's say between a bid'a and the Sunnah.



First of all, what is a bid'a?

A bid'a is an innovation, an innovation in islam is of two types:


1) Worldly innovation. - In islam we can make as much worldly innovations as we wish, there are no limits so long as this innovation doesn't go into haram [the things which are forbidden.]

So an example for this could be driving cars today, whereas at the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) they would use camels. This is a simple example of a worldly innovation.


2) Innovation in regard to Worship. - This has the exact opposite stance to the example above.

In worship we can't make/introduce any new forms of worship, it has to be practiced according to the sunnah (Prophetic way) of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him.)


We need to make a clear understanding of the types of worship;

1) The first type is ritualistic, and any deed you do [i.e. salat - prayer, hajj - the pilgrimage to Makkah, zakat - the 2.5% charity of your whole wealth, fasting etc] has to be performed according to how Allah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us.

2) The second type is non ritualistic, and it includes anything good you do to benefit mankind, for the sake of pleasing Allah. Such as feeding ones wife, family etc. for this you are rewarded too.

For the 1st type, you can't make up your own rules (everything is haram in these acts of worship unless proven with evidence from Allah's Messengers example) - you follow the Messenger of Allah as much as you can.

For the 2nd type, everything is permitted (of doing good) unless proven to be haram [forbidden]. This permissible deed will then be a source of reward for you.




This is also used as a criterion to distinguish between a Bid'a and an innovation:


- If the Messenger of Allah had the ability to do something in order to draw closer to Allah, and he never did it [nor his companions] - then if we add that, then it is a bid'a. (i.e. celebrating his (peace be upon him's birthday - he never did it, although he could.)

- If the Messenger of Allah never had the ability to do something, and he never did it, and it is permissible in boundaries of Shari'a, then that is permissible. And Allah knows best. (i.e. placing speakers and a mic in the Masjid)




So compared to the example of worldly innovations where we can make any new innovation, in worship we cannot make any worship - but instead it has to be exactly how the Messenger of Allah taught it.


That's why the scholars say, for our worship to be accepted, it has to fulfill two main conditions:

A) It is done sincerely for the sake of Allah alone.

B) It is done according to the sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him.)


Even if someone is the most sincere man/woman on the earth, if it doesn't fulfill either of the two conditions mentioned above, it will be rejected. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:

"Whoever introduces into our matter (religion) that which is not a part of it, will have it (his innovation) rejected."

Related by Al-Bukhari & Muslim




What's so wrong with Innovations if it's nothing sinful?


Most people who innovate things into religion start off with a good intention. This is why Ibn ul Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) mentions that satan tries to make people associate partners with Allah (i.e. shirk) and if he is not able to do that, he makes them add innovations into the religion. He says that satan tries to make people fall into innovations before even commiting major sins! Why? Because the person actually thinks that they're doing something good.


If we look in history, we'll see that Prophet Adam was the first man on earth along with his wife. For 10 generations these people followed the true religion of God, pure monotheism and they obeyed God without associating no partners with Him.

As time progresses, the people start lacking in their faith and feel that they need to remember the pious people before them in order to remember God. So what happens? Satan comes to them and says, shall i build you statues of these people so you may remember them?


The people are real happy, and guess what? They had a good intention. But little do they know what will happen in the future.

After a while these people pass away and after a few generations - satan comes to them again and says, why don't you pray to these pious people? Your forefathers did the same, these pious people will pray on your behalf to God.



So these people believe it, they start praying to others besides Allah. And guess what shirk is? It's not to reject God, but it's to associate partners with Him in worship. And did you know that dua' [supplication/invoking] is worship?

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:

Indeed the supplication is the worship. [Musnad Ahmad]

Then he recited,

And your Lord said: "Call upon Me, I will answer you. Verily, those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!''. [Qur'an Ghafir 40:60]


Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Surah Nuh & Surah Ghafir.

the idols of the people of Nuh and the Arabs:
http://salaf-stories.blogspot.com/20...arabic-of.html



Now ask anyone who prays to anyone other than their own Creator, and they will say that we know this deity never created the whole universe, but we only serve worship them so they may intercede on our behalf to God.


“And they worship besides Allah things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah’”

[Yoonus 10:18]


“And those who take Awliya’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah’”

[al-Zumar 39:3]




So you see how all the previous nations fell into the same trap, and they only did it because their forefathers did it. The problem is that i've even seen muslims fall into the same trap:


When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance? [Qur'an Al Baqarah 2:170]




Even the pagan arabs fell into the same error, yet they believed in Allah.

As Allah says in the Qur'an:

And if you asked them, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" they would surely say, " Allah ." Say, "Then have you considered what you invoke besides Allah ? If Allah intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy?" Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah ; upon Him [alone] rely the [wise] reliers." [Qur'an Zumar 39:38]



So from there you see that the people have a good intention, but this is satan's trick to make you associate partners with Allah in worship. Even though it is our testimony of faith as muslims that La illaha illAllah - there is none worthy of worship except Allah.

This good intention lead many people astray, to the extent that they rejected Prophet Nuh [Noah], and reserved a place for themselves in the fire.



Allah says in the Qur'an:

{...This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion...} (Qur'an 5:3)

So, whatever was not part of the religion on that day, cannot be part of the religion today.'"




Now imagine a picture, the artists just perfected the picture and he's hung it on the wall for everyone to see, before they leave - they order everyone not to make any editions to it. Now imagine you still feel it needs abit of editing, so what do you do? You pull a paintbrush out and draw in an extra line. You leave it, and as some time progresses - someone else walks by, pulls another paint brush out and makes another mark on it. As time continues, people make so much paint marks on it, which leads to the whole picture being distorted.

After a while, the original artist comes back and looks at what's been done. He never ordered you to make any additions to it - will they be pleased?



So if something is perfected, it doesn't need any new ways, which may differ according to how the Messenger of Allah. And we know that the Messenger of Allah conveyed the whole message before he passed away.


"Oh Messenger, communicate whatever has been sent down to you by your Lord. If you do not do so, you will not have conveyed his message (5:67).



The main difference between the Ahlus Sunnah (the people of sunnah) and the people of bid'ah (innovation) is that those who follow the sunnah, refer back to the Prophet (peace be upon him) to see how he performed his worship, however he did it - they imitate him in that.

The people of the Sunnah do something only when it's been proved. But the people of innovation, innovate first and then try to prove it. So someone who truely follows the sunnah won't get angry at you if you ask them for their proof for what they're doing, however - if the persons doing an act without referring to the Sunnah, then i think its better to get protection.




Let's look at an example:

When we pray salah, we do two sujoods' (prostrations.) Now if someone says to us that we should do 4 prostrations instead, we would say no right? Because the Messenger of Allah never did that.

Now how do you prove to the person that it's not right? you refer back to the sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him.)


We should do the same in any act of worship - refer it to the Messenger of Allah himself, and follow his example alone. This is what the companions of the Prophet did, and they were of those who are successful in this world and the hereafter.



The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives (for a long time) will see many differences. I urge you to follow my Sunnah and the way of the rightly-guided khaleefahs who come after me. Hold on to it firmly. Beware of newly-invented matters, for every innovation is a going astray.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 4/126; al-Tirmidhi no. 2676).




Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman ® said:

"Do not perform any act of worship that was not practiced by the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, for the earlier generation did not leave any room for the latter to add anything (to the religion). Fear Allah, O' readers, seekers of knowledge, and follow the path of those who came before you."

Narrated by Ibn Battah in Al-Ibanah.


Imam ash-Shafi'ee said:

"Whosoever considers an innovation to be good has corrected the Prophet."
[Bulghul Maram of Ibn Hajar (available in English) p190 footnote 2]




Imâm al-Awzâ’î (d.157H) - rahimahullâh - said:

“Patiently restrict yourself to the Sunnah and pause where the people paused, say what they said and avoid what they avoided. Take to the path of your Salafus-Sâlih [pious predecessors], for indeed, what was sufficient for them, is sufficient for you.”

[Related by Imâm al-آjurrî in ash-Sharî’ah (p.58) and also al-Bayhaqî in Madhkal ilas-Sunan (no.233).]


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[Qatada]

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about your question on the madhabs;


Sister, first of all - i'll tell you this. that alot of people (including me), even on this site used to belong to other sects [or atleast to families of other groups until they read Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab's book Kitab Al Tawhid, and thats when they realised that the lies they heard about 'wahabis' were false, and that the shaykh only called back to the way of the salaf [the 3 best generations of islam (the sahabah, al-tabi'ien, and their followers].


So in issues of 'aqeedah and 'ibadah, we base our actions according to the way of the salaf. Since Allah's Messenger explained that they are the best of generations. The 4 Imams were from the salaf, and we follow them too and respect them. The 'salafis' even follow their way, where the Imams would say that if there is a hadith that contradicts my madhab - then I follow the hadith (the only reason they couldn't always get the correct view was because they might not have had access to some hadith, whereas another Imam might have. So each Imam did his ijtihad and made a ruling. The 'ulama of today - following the way of the salaf also do ijtihad because they have access to alot more compiled ahadith now (at the time of the 4 imams, there wasn't even a Sahih Al Bukhari Jami' yet. There wasn't AlBukhari, Muslim, Abi Dawud, Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, all these came after the 4 Imams.)


Anyway to make things short, the 'ulama who follow the way of the salaf also follow a madhab. Alot of them are hanbali because the Hanbali madhab sticks to the ahadith alot compared to the other madhabs. Some might even be Shafi'i, or Maliki or Hanafi. But at the end of the day, they follow the authentic ahadith over a opinion of any of the scholars of their madhab because the only one who we blindly follow is Allah's Messenger (sal Allah alaihi wasalam.) Even the students of Abu Hanifah like Abu Yusuf used to differ in their opinions to their shaykh [abu hanifah] himself, simply because they found a stronger proof.


In Islam, we recognise the madhabs - even the Imams who do ijtihad to find answers from the Qur'an and Sunnah will get rewarded, even if their view was wrong. They will get 1 reward for that.

But the Imam who got the correct answer with his ijtihad will get 2 rewards. Because there is only 1 correct answer, and that is what Allah's Messenger truly taught. And this is what the 'ulama are trying to achieve today, and everytime in history - to follow the truth of what was taught by Allah's Messenger himself.


So to be 'salafi' isn't to oppose the madhabs, but to find the true answer of what Allah's Messenger taught.

[Qatada]

The counting beads are usually rejected because its an imitation of the christians 'rosemary beeds', and they imitated the buddists. We're discouraged to imitate misguided religions even in small things.

[Asalaafiyah Alathariyah]

Oo.. Okay ... i understand .. Jazaka Allah Khayran brother .. May Allah reward You For that ..

[salamfromrom]

Salam


On one of Nuh Keller's sites, he claims:

3. The term "sufi" has been used in contrast with "faqih" (jurist) by the great Imams of Fiqh and Usul. Imam al- Shafi`i said:

faqihan wa sufiyyan fa kun laysa wahidan
fa inni wa haqqillahi iyyaka ansahu

Be both a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them!
Verily, by Allah's truth, I am advising you sincerely.

while Imam Malik said:

man tasawwafa wa lam yatafaqqa fa qad tazandaqa
wa man tafaqqaha wa lam yatasawwaf fa qad tafassaqa
wa man jama`a bayn al-ithnayn fa qad tahaqqaqa

He who practices tasawwuf without learning Sacred Law
corrupts his faith, while he who learns Sacred Law without
practicing tasawwuf corrupts himself.
Only he who combines the two proves true.

See also Sufyan al-Thawri's saying on the best of people being the Sufi who is versed in fiqh, cited below.
Sources:

- Al-Shafi`i, Diwan, (Beirut and Damascus: Dar al-fikr) p. 47.
- Imam Malik: see `Ali al-Qari, Sharh `Ayn al-`Ilm wa- Zayn al-Hilm (Cairo: Maktabat al-Thaqafa al-Diniyya, 1989) 1:33; Ahmad Zarruq, Qawa`id al-tasawwuf (Cairo, 1310); `Ali al-`Adawi, Hashiyat al-`Adawi `ala Sharh Abi al-Hasan li-Risalat Ibn Abi Zayd al-Musammat Kifayat al- Talib al-Rabbani li-Risalat Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani fi Madhhab Malik (Beirut?: Dar Ihya' al-Kutub al-`Arabiyah, (n.d.) 2:195; Ibn `Ajiba, Iqaz al-Himam fi Sharh al- Hikam (Cairo: Halabi, 1392/1972) p. 5-6.

Do these claims have any basis in fact? Did Imam Shafi and Malik really say such flattering things about sufism? I am skeptical...

Salam

[Qatada]

wasalam alaik


bro salam, even if they did say it - its totally different to the sufis of today. like i quoted the event of imam malik;

Ibn al-Jawzi narrates in his book "Talbees Iblees" (the Deceptions of Satan) p. 392 that 'Abdul-Malek ibn Zeyad al-Naseebi said: We were with [Imam] Malik when I mentioned to him the Sufis in my state, I said: They wear the most luxurious garments from Yemen, and they do so and so. He said: Woe to you, are these Muslims?! He said: He then laughed until he lied on his back.

One of his companions sitting with him said to me: O you, we never saw any who is a greater of a calamity on this Shaykh [i.e. Imam Malik] then you, this is the first time ever we see him laugh.

A similar story was mentioned in the book "Tarteeb Al-Madarik wa Taqreeb Al-Masalik" (2/54) by Al-Qadi 'Iyad, from the narration of 'Abdul-Allah ibn Yusuf al-Taneesi, who was present during this story, and is one of the famous companions of Imam Malik.

Al-Taneesi said: We were with Malik, and his companions were around him when a man, from the people of Nasibeen, said: O Abu 'Abdullah (i.e. Imam Malik) we have people that are called al-Soufia (the Sufis) that eat a lot, then recite poetry, and then stand up and dance.

Malik said: Are they small kids?
The man replied: No.

He then asked: Are they Madmen (crazy or insane)?
The man replied: No, they are old people and over that they are sane

Malik said: I never heard that anyone of the people of Islam would do such a thing.

The man added: They eat, and then stand up and dance, some of them hitting their heads, and others slapping their faces.

Imam Malik laughed, and then stood up, and entered his house.

Imam Malik's companions said to the man, you were a misfortune on our companion, we sat with him for thirty-something years and never saw him laugh except on this day.

Arabic version:
http://www.alsoufia.com/articles.asp...alse&gate_id=0

Alot of sufis today match the description which Imam Malik and Al Shafi'ie used to laugh at. Like many just sing and many times even dance [they call it Hadra'], so we see that if these are their statements that you quoted - then that is referring to the proper zuhaad [ascetics], who had the correct beliefs and worked hard to be close servants of Allah.

[salamfromrom]

Salam

''Alot of sufis today match the description which Imam Malik and Al Shafi'ie used to laugh at.''

I guess these are definately exceeding the limits. (Filmed a few days ago in chechnia, where the sufi tariqas are servants of the kremlin-backed terror regime while those who resist are called wahhabbis and tortured, raped and murdered). These practices are so disturbing.

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Salam bro