> The Reality of Madkhalism: From Those who Invented an Imaginary Madhaab to Those who Made Taqleed

[Ibn Ilyas]

Regarding some of what is being circulated on Salafi Talk
Shaykh Khaalid ar-Raddaadee


Audio Tape: Rabee’ Al Awal 17, 1426/April 26, 2005


All praise is due to Allaah, and may the prayers and blessings of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions.
To proceed:


It has reached me that a website - Salafi Talk - has circulated some words of mine in which I warned against Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth in Britain, and that I described them as being from Ahlul Bid’ah (people of innovations), Hizbees (people of partisanship) and that it is not permissible to cooperate with them, go to them or attend the classes of knowledge or lectures by some of the [Salafee] Mashaayikh that may be given in their Masjid. These words were taken from [my class] in the explanation of ‘Al Qawaa’id Al Arba’’. A question was asked in relation to the term ‘clear and unclear salafees’, and in response to this question I explained that it is not permissible to use this terminology, and then I spoke about Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth in Britain.
A number of issues were intended by my speech:


The first issue: We had some observations/points against Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth and the errors that they have fallen into in issues that relate to Manhaj. We still hope that they amend these issues and that they stay away from what opposes the correct Manhaj in the Da’wah (call) to Allaah, Tabaarakah wa Ta’aalah, and that they adhere to the sunnah.




Secondly: When I spoke, I didn’t intend that they were Mubtadi’ah (people of innovations) or to describe them with Bid’ah, and that whoever comes to them (i.e. attends their Masjid) is a Mubtadi’ (innovator). I didn’t want this at all, and whoever narrated this about me is mistaken. It is only that there were some points and observations made against them.


What is strange is that the owners of this site (Salafi Talk), may Allaah guide them, left a lot of questions in which I was asked about attending some of the lectures by the Salafee Mashaayikh that are given in [the Masjid] of Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth, in which I responded that these lectures should be attended and that one should be keen upon attending them. They left these words of mine and took the other words. And [now] I have made clear what I intended; that there are some observations and points against them (Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth) and all praise is due to Allaah, there has been some contact between us and them (Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth) and it seems that they (Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth) are accepting [our advice] and to Allaah belongs all Praise and gratitude.
I [would like to] bring attention to the point that I have advised the owners of this site – Salafi Talk – may Allaah guide them, that they stay away from spreading ‘Qeel wa Qaal’ (it was said and he said) on this site of theirs, and that they remove a lot of the statements and opinions that contain a lot of Ta’addee (excessiveness) and ignorance. In these statements as well, is a lot of injustice, making incorrect judgments/rulings as well as hastily spreading narrations. I have advised them about this, and they promised that they would remove a lot of these issues from their website.


What is even stranger is that they are selective. They select from the sayings of the Mashaayikh and the students of knowledge that which is in agreement to their way and their Manhaj. If they find a saying of a Shaykh that is in agreement with their desires they run with it, put it on their site as well as advertise and propagate it, just as they have done with my speech on Jam’eeyat Ahlul Hadeeth. In contrast to my words/lectures in warning against Ghuloo (extremism) and in advising them in regards to the Manhaj mistakes that they have and the likes [of this speech], and that they proclaim their Tawbah, free themselves from it, seek pardon from those who have fallen into error likewise, and that they make Bayaan (clarifiy) this. They did not pay any attention at all to these words of mine, neither were they pleased with it. Rather they went creating disorder and spreading things that are strange and absurd.


And based upon this, I do not permit them to put the likes of this kind of speech of mine on their site. I do not permit them to narrate anything from me until they get back to me and consult me about it. If they do so, I will look into it and give them permission to spread that certain talk/narration. But that they take from some of my lectures or classes that which is in agreement to their objectives/aims, in which I do not have any intention whatsoever [to be in agreement] with, then indeed I do not permit them to do this, never. And I consider this to be from Talaa’ub (playing about) .


For this reason, I ask Allaah, ‘Azza wa Jal, to grant us success in adhering to the Sunnah and following its path, and to aid us with our own souls and in rectifying them, to be steadfast upon the truth, to be merciful to the believers, and to treat people in a way that is best.
[I say] this, and Allaah is the Granter of success, and may the prayers and blessings of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions.



Translator: Nadir Ahmad, Abu Abdul-Waahid
Date Published: Tuesday, 26 April 2005

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy

AsSalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkaatuhu,

Brother al-Boriqee I think you have proven who's a Haddadee!

compared to what I have been and what I am now, I know exactly who the haddadee is. I don't completely abandon the "innovator" over someone who has errors and treat them as a Jahm ibn Safwaan as I use to do when I was a muqalid of the SP cult

You wrote:

Im taling about the shiyookh, not the names you mentioned. If you mean Yahya Hajooree, then that is one of them who does not reach the ankle of the senior shiyookh like the rest of the names you mention.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan Exposes Those (Haddaadiyyah) Who Attack the Scholars and Revile Them
*************** - Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan Exposes Those (Haddaadiyyah) Who Attack the Scholars and Revile Them

Shaykh Salih Fawzaan says :They say [that they are] (from Ahl us-Sunnah), yet they revile the Scholars?. Where, Where Ahl us-Sunnah? They are liars, they are not from Ahl us-Sunnah!

This is not ignorance, this is just plain stupidity akh. Im talking real talk about Hajooree and here you quote to me some ancient kalaam of Fawzaan in a review he gave about the actual original Haddadee in the time of Mahmud al-Haddad, and then apply it on this specific instance. You jahil is more than we can bear here. That review of Fawzaan is more befitting for the SP than anyone outside of this cult. Everytime the khalitalk admin or the spubers would post on their hizbi forum, they inherently send out the signal to all the readers that read their forum (which is not much) that they are refuting themselves. Everyone with an eye can see that this hizb is trying to pass off these judgments to their detractors when everyone with an eye can see these everything that the scholars havespoken of regarding the ghuloo and fitnah of tabde and hajr CAME FROM SP and nowbody else.

Allow me to give you the extremist mindset of your own cult, and then AFTER I display this cult mentality, I will bring to you the middle ground purely Salafi intake on it.

SP CULT HADDADIYYAH=
SHaykh Yahya is the Imaam of Ahlu-sunnah, of the MAJOR scholars of Yemen, he received Tazkiyyah from Muqbil rahimahullah

So who's the Liar!

well, in order to be just, I don't think no one is here, I just understand your a jaahil simpleton who still has not revealed how long he has claimed to be salafi for and therefore does not know nothing of what he is talking about and is therefore unaware of the hizbiyyah that eminates from the SP cult

And brother be fearful Allah Azz wa Jall

I am. That fear OBLIGATES me and other real salafis worldwide to expose hizbiyyah and innovation where it is. However, since you can't seem to grasp your brain around the concept of their hizbiyyah and deviation that blankets your entire life (which is a very bad position between you and ALlah as this is an indication of the seal Allah places) in order for you to break through the was was of the Shaytan, I will post the various innovations that I use to fight for its legitimacy when I was under the SP cult.

anyone who reads the posts by you will understand the amount of Ghuloo you have and see your Aadaab!

substitute the word "one" from "anyone" and replace it with "jahil" or "haddadee" and your words will be much more accurate description of reality.

These aren't the Adaab of a Muslim, even a Tablighi Mubtadi never talks in this way fear Allah Azz wa Jall.

I know i have bad adaab, Im still trying to rake off the poision that this cult has breaded me upon. I was a haddadee for some years under the SP cult and so I have years of polution to rid myself of, mainly in adaab, as it was easier for me to abandon the innovations I use to learn from them.

And with regards to Shaykh al-Hajuree , then you are in loss see Imam Muqbil's Praise of Sh. Al-Hajuree.

*************** - Shaykh Muqbil's praise for Shaykh Yahyaa al-Hajooree

Stupidity, just plain lunacy.
allow me to explain how jahil you are

1. Imam Muqbil praised MORE THAN ANY of his students Abu Hasan al-M'arabi. In fact he said of al-M'arabi's book on the science of jarh wa t'adeel "there needs to be no book on the topic after one reads this book". Muqbil told all of his students "take from Abu Hasan". EVERYONE know, both the SP hizbis (not the muqalids like yourself) and every salafi on earth that al-M'arabi was his top and greatest student. The variance and level al-M'arabi had compared to the rest of Muqbils top students like hajooree, Muhammad al-Imaam, and others is like the distance of the sky to the earth. In other words his tops students were in one field, and al-M'arabi was in a whole different level in terms of ilm.

This fact later on caused enmity and hasad from the other students of muqbil because everyone was going to al-M'arabi's camp. So what the other students did was to gather what they viewed were crimes against the manhaj on al-M'arabi's part and brought them to Rabee at the time who was the forrunner of this fitnah (before his shaykh Imaam Abdul-Muhsin blasted him and made him change his manhaj) and began to warn al-M'arabi before it became public.

al-M'arabi, being researved and a true product of Muqbil, recanted from several errors and changed some positions, however that was not enough for Rabee, so Rabee bagan to openly destroy al-M'arabi and forfronted the idea of him being the dajjal of Yemen. When this happened, troid at the time was trying to join QSS, but Abdul-Munim did not allow this due to their awkward manhaj and manners they would display. So what happened was that troid and SP joined together upon this fitnah that Rabee formed against al-M'arabi and then blasted everybody who did not go forth with this view, and hence that is what almost destroyed the salafi movement in the west as we know it.

So how are you going to rely on a tazkiyyah of Muqbil for hajooree to the exlusion of al-M'arabi, when everyone knows al-M'arabi was the more favored one undoubtedly to Muqbil. He was his sidekick. If you are going to say that his tazkiyyah to M'arabi is ancient then likewise his tazkiyyah to hajooree is ancient.

oh and uh if your thinking of quoting the lie on khalafitalk, allow me to stop you right now. Muqbil DID NOT warn against Abu Hasan. There is no sanad in their post that they made for khalafitalk. as Usual, some liars collaborated to form this fake warnin against m'arabi and attributed it to Muqbil. there is no sanad and it cannot be verified because no one has heard of it. So please don't bother to find that post and post it here because you will be partaking in the spreading of lies.

2. SECONDLY, my speech of Hajooree is not from me. look at your own Shaykh Ubayd

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Question from some Indonesian brothers:
We inform you Shaikhanaa that we have with us in Indonesia some brothers who will hold a conference and inshaa’Allaah two men will come: Shaikh Hasan bin Qaasim ar-Raymee (as-Salafee) and Shaikh Muhammad al-Maani’.

Shaikh Ubaid:
We do not advise that you invite these two men because they are both polluted with the fitna of Hajooree. Hasan bin Qaasim ar-Raymee, we know him, he is of our tullaab and Muhammad al-Maani’ is from Sanaa’. Both of these men are polluted with the fitna of Hajooree, na’m. So upon you are those who are upon the Sunnah, na’m.
Choose other than these two men, like Muhammad al-Imaam, there is no harm in him even though he may have some things, or Muhammad as-Somaalee and Abdul-Azeez al-Buraa’ee, there is also no harm in him. Even though they may have some things they are not firmly established upon that and they are intelligent (Uqalaa) and are a hundred times better than Hajooree! In the south of Yemen is Abdullah ibn Umar al-Mar’ee and his brother Abdur-Rahmaan bin Umar al-Mar’ee. There are other Ikhwa and I do not remember their names, but the brothers Abdullah bin Umar and Shaikh Abdur-Rahmaan bin Umar can lead you to them.
Wallaahi I do not advise that you bring these two men barakallahu feekum, i do not advise that you bring these two men! I do not advise to attend their duroos, in reality they are polluted. But if put aside questions asked of them pertaining to the fitna and the give duroos on tawheed and the Sunnah alone and they do not delve into the fitna then no harm, if not then i do not advise to bring these two men.

what will you do know oh SPUBER. Ubayd has blasted Hajooree. Who will you take.

Allow me to teach you the salafi manhaj just in case you do not get it from khalafitalk (which you wont)

we as salafis, leave off completely the bickering of these students of knowledge and we hold on to the senior scholars whose amaana to the dawah of ahlu-sunnah is established. This is our way. we respect these average shiyookh for their efforts in the good they have brought and we completely push to the side the fitnah they have caused. If their good is greater than their harm, then we make excuse for them BUT STILL remain allof from their harm, and if their harms are greater than their good, then we generally do not speak of them period.

This is strictly the pure salafi athari way. Now you can join this way and understand the salafi manhaj for what it is, or you can go back to hizbitalk and try to gain a filtered hizbi interpretations of how to go about being a hizbi in the name of the salafi manhaj. That is entirely up to you my friend. May Allah guide you to the salafi manhaj.

again, here is Ubayd again

http://www.salafishare.com/arabic/28...GT/69U685V.mp3

Sheikh Ubaid says:
As for Hajooree then he is a fool! Al-Hajooree, Yahyaa Hajooree deviated the Markaz, Markaz Dammaaj, which was established by al-Allaamah, al-Aalim Shaikh Muqbil (rahimahullaah). It (Markaz Dammaaj) was established on the Sunnah, but al-Hajooree is a fool and has little shame and does not speak in the manner of the people of knowledge rather he speaks in the manner of the people of foolishness! So I give advice to four types of people:

First: the people who are currently in Dammaaj, I advise them to leave it! They should go to other Maraakiz that are widespread in Yemen which are run by, wa lillaahi hamd, those who are much more intelligent than Yahyaa Hajooree. They also have adab and noble character.

Second: his henchmen who support him, their support him is support for foolishness.

Third: the companions of Shaykh Muqbil, for they are responsible and whoever of them has the ability, wisdom and good politics are all responsible for what is going on with that man in the Markaz up to when he deviated from the Sunnah. I advise them to raise his affair with the people in authority and remove him (Shaikh Yahyaa al-Hajooree) from the Markaz (Dammaaj) and replace him with a man who can return it (the Markaz) to what it was upon during the time of the founder Shaikh Muqbil (rahimahullaah).

Fourth: those who travel to Yemen to study from the hands of Ahl us-Sunnah in Yemen, I advise them to not go to Markaz Dammaaj, its condition is what it is! This is until al-Hajooree is removed and Allaah blesses it with a man who will return it to what it was upon during the time of Shaikh Muqbil (rahimahullaah).

again, Alloe me to teach you our salafi manhaj that you have been deprived of for however long you gained your understanding from deviants who claimed to be salafi

The folllowing material will not two birds with one stone.

1. it is a refutation straight from Fawzaan on the SP cult
2. He clarifies the pure unadulterated salafi mahaj and position on such matters

ALBaseerah.org - Current Affairs & Politics

Question: We have a group of people in our city (in Britain) who are hasty in making Tabd'ee and openly warning against and ordering Hajr (abandonment) of people from Ahlus-Sunnah who do not agree with them in certain issues or in taking positions against certain people. This Ghuloo has lead to the splitting of Ahlus-Sunnah in Britain and has made people turn away from the Deen and the Da'wah. So what is your advice regarding these individuals and their like?

Answer: My advice to you is that you seek knowledge and continue in that path to seeking knowledge so that when you have knowledge you would know what the solution to your problem is. But, as long as everyone is ignorant, then these disputes and arguments between you will continue. So, seek knowledge and leave off the argumentation and disputes. And do not look towards the people who are hasty in making Tabd'ee declaring people to be innovators, or Tafseeq declaring people to be sinners, or that they curse. Do not look towards them and continue in your seeking of knowledge.

Answered by: Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan

Title of Lecture: Life of Imaam Muhammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab

Date of the Lecture: December 3rd 2005

this is our way akhee Abdul-Muhsin and Im inviting you to it. Leave hizbitalk and abandon the hizbiyyah and fitnah of ghuloo that has become their hallmark and seek ilmu-naaf'i (beneifical knowledge). When you learn knoweldge, you learn how to deal and cope with foolishness like this inter-dawah bickering and polemics by some students of knowledge who squandered what they received and are being pumped up as ALAAMAH this and Imaam that.

we attach our selves and rely upon the Senior Imaams of our way and the list that Ibn Ilyas posted was a perfect example. This is the way of our salaf. Allow me to prove to you the salafi way

This comes from a beneficial salafi website al-ibaanah.com

from Abu ‘Abdillaah Ahmad bin Muhammad ash-Shihhee

SOURCE:
His book "Al-Wasaayah as-Saniyyah Lit-Taa’ibeena ilaas-Salafiyyah" (pg. 34-39)

PRODUCED BY:
Al-Ibaanah.com

The scholars are the ones to be referred to and turned to regarding the important issues, especially in matters that concern the welfare of the Muslim ummah. If you look at the condition of the first generations from the Salaf as-Saalih, you would find that they were strict with regard to returning back to the senior scholars that were alive in their time, especially in getting rulings that resulted in making tabdee’ (declaring someone an innovator) or takfeer (declaring someone a disbeliever). [1]

Look at the example of Yahyaa bin Ya’mar Al-Basree and Humaid bin ‘Abdir-Rahmaan Al-Himayree Al-Basree, when the Qadariyyah appeared in their time and they began to manifest contradictions to the Fundamentals of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, which necessitated that they be declared disbelievers or that they be pronounced innovators and removed from the fold of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. However, they did not rush into making a ruling against them. Rather, they went to those who held the position of being referred to with regard to issues of knowledge, from the scholars. And he was ‘Abdullaah bin ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (radyAllaahu ‘anhumaa). So they informed him of what occurred to them and he issued a ruling to them stating the misguidance and deviation of (this group of) the Qadariyyah.

Yahyaa bin Ya’mar said: “The first person who spoke (deviant views) with regard to Al-Qadar in Basrah was Ma’bad Al-Juhnee. Humaid bin ‘Abdir-Rahmaan Al-Himayree and I set out to make Hajj or ‘Umrah, and we said to each other: “If only we could meet one of the Companions of Allaah’s Messenger so that we could ask him about what these people are saying about Al-Qadar. So Allaah granted us that ‘Abdullaah bin ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (radyAllaahu ‘anhumaa) enter the masjid So I and my companion gathered around him – one of us on his right and the other on his left. I felt as if my companion entrusted me with speaking to him, so I said:

“Abu ‘Abdur-Rahmaan, a people have appeared in our land that recite the Qur’aan and pursue knowledge…[and he mentioned some other points about them]…and they claim that there is no such thing as Al-Qadar (Divine Pre-Decree) and that it is rejected.”

He responded: “If you meet these people, inform them that I am free from them and thy are free from me. By the One whom ‘Abdullaah bin ‘Umar swears by, if one of them had the likes of Mount Uhud in gold and he were to give it away in charity, Allaah would not accept it from him, until he believes in Al-Qadar.“ Then he said: “My father reported to me…” [2]

And look at the example of Zubayd ibn Al-Haarith Al-Yaamee when the Murji’ah appeared in his time and he saw that they had oppositions to the Fundamentals of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, which necessitated that they be ousted from the fold of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. Yet, he did not rush into making a ruling against them. Instead, he went to one who had the position of being referenced in religious matters in his time from the people of knowledge and fatwaa, those who took their knowledge from the Seniors amongst the Companions, who in this case was Abu Waa’il Shaqeeq bin Salamah Al-Asadee Al-Koofee (rahimahullaah).

So Zubayd went to him informing him of what had occurred, and Abu Waa’il issued a fatwaa to him based on a text from Allaah’s Messenger, which indicated the falsehood of the misconceptions of the Murji’ah and their deviating from Ahlus-Sunnah. Zubayd said: “When the Murji’ah appeared, I went to Abu Waa’il and mentioned that to him, so he said: ’Abdullaah narrated to me that the Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: ‘Reviling a Muslim is sinfulness and fighting against him is disbelief.’” [3]

So if you were to compare between the condition of these people with regard to how they looked toward the people of knowledge in their time and between the condition of many of those who have become unstable in their repentance in this time of ours, you would find a huge difference between the two examples.

Those people (in the first example) strove hard to implement this rule, and they did not rush to make a ruling against those people of their time whose deviation become apparent, until they first presented their case to the people of knowledge, those capable of issuing rulings (fatwaa) from Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. So when they heard the ruling, they bit onto it with their molar teeth and distanced themselves from those deviants who were in opposition to Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah.

But as for today, then it is very rare that you can find those who strive hard to implement this rule. Rather, you will find those who have no concern for the words of the people of knowledge and fatwaa with regard to warning against the people of desires and innovation. So they wage war against the fataawaa (religious rulings) of the scholars and they distort their (intended) meanings. We ask Allaah to save and protect us!
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"If it were not for the isnaad, then anyone could have related whatever they wanted to relate"
Ibnul-Mubarrak rahimahullahu ta'ala

Imaam Ayyub as-Sakhtiyaanee said "If you wish to know the mistakes of your teacher, then sit with other than him" reported by ad-Daarimee

Ibnul-Jawzee said "So our deen, alhamdulillah, is clear and manifest, containing nothing hidden, nor anything concealed, suppressed nor secret. So whatever the people of partisanship employ from that, then it is the door to misguidance, and Allah's refuge is sought" Tablees Iblees

Ibn Taymiyyah said (in partial speesch)"So it is said, any way of guidance that Allaah hasn’t made for his slaves, then indeed there is harm and corruption in it, even if it doesn’t appear to us to be harmful."

Shaykhul-Islaam said “Whoever deviates from the Madhhab and Tafseer of the Sahaabah and Tabi’een to that which opposes it then he has erred in that rather (he has) innovated."
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa v.13 p.361

and this is our way. leave the hizbis and come back to the way of ahlu-sunnah, the salafi, the people of athar.

And many other Aalims have praise shaykh

there is no alim outside of Muqbil and Rabee that praised Hajooree.

.I think Brother al-Boriqee think she is the BIGGEST IMAM

what are you talking about. Im not even a student.
But this is what happens with people ingrained towards spuberism. the moment someone speaks plain and simple clear sunnah, they are labeled as "someone who thinks they are Imaam" simply because such a person does not involve themselves in confusion and riff raff that hizbis like to partake in and make issues out of.

, while all other are nothing! Shaykh al-Hajuree has Thousands of Students(Major Talibul Ilm or Scholars) while Brother al-Boriqee , do you have any TAZKIYAH forget of Students!

he has thousands fo students so what. Zindaani the ikhwaani has thousands. Who cares. Don't impute your ignorance on me. I know who is who and I know who to refer to. The problem is you don't. You have hizbitalk and SP to filter how you should understand this matter and our salafi already warned you not to rely your deen on such people.

To Brother Ibn Ilyas again I am not biased its clear from my earlier posts. Its not Just Shaykh Rabee, Imam Al Abbad, al Aqeel , Shaykh Luhaydaan,Jabiree, Bukharee, Hajuree....etc have praised SP I am not sticking to a Shaykh and accepting his Opinion.

Bin Baz and Uthaymeen highly praised Ihyaa at-Turaath. So based on your principle, you should take from them. Or are you going to implement that principle on the hizbis you would like to implement on and to abandon that same principle on others.

It is clear to everyone here now that spuberism only survives on double standards. They have an entire sunnah for themselves, and have an entirely different sunnah for others.

And as of Criticism of Shaykh Ibn Jibree than the Link you Provided was not of SPUBS it was a member of Salafitalk whenever SPUBS posts

IT DOES MATTER you poor simpleton. The fact that they have remained SILENT is by default a silence of approval. In the Shariah, if someone performs WRONG, if you remain silent WHEN you are in the position of authority to change it, then you are by default looker at as the sanctioner of such action. It doesn't matter if spubs did not say it, it came from someone who is a direct muqalid of spubs. So here they are guilty on two accounts

1. they are guilty of not correcting someone they had full authority to correct thereby sanctioning his fasad and
2. the person who committed this wrong only committed this wrong based on the innovated and warped tarbiyyah they learned from SPUBS to begin with.
This fool did not learn this lunacy from any other hizb except the spubs hizb. He did not learn it from the salafis, he did not learn it from ikhwaanis, he did not learn it from tableeghis, he did not learn it from kharijis, he did not learn it from no one but troidsterism and spubism.

, they have a user account named ********** they post it under its name, brother Ibn Ilyas you have posted a members personal opinion. As of Shaykh Ibn Jibreen then he is respected a lot he may have erred in certain issues but he is a Major Aalim SP respects.

we know his error on Qutb, but overall his fadheela is one that benefits. Hajoori does not reach the dirt that the shaykh walks on. the same with Ubayd, Faalih, Fawzi, al-Anjaree, and any other shaykhs you and SPUBS have deemed to be ALAAMAH.

InshAllah this is my last post, anyone who reads the conversations , will have clear Idea who are Haddadee and who have Ghuloo and disrespect towards Scholars.

al-Hamdullillah, please stop speaking without knowledge. everyone knows who is the haddadee and eveyrone knows who is the forrunners of this heresy.

At last :Brother al-Boriqee I am still waiting for you Refutation of Salafi Publications and the stance of Scholars(as you believe the shuyookh have declared them Hizbi). Please Upload the Refutation and Audio of Shuyookhs stance on SP , desperately waiting.


AsSalaamu alaykum.

i cannot seem to upload the file, it is only 3.56 megabites. i tried putting it on another site and linking it but there is some kind of security error. I will have to find it on the net somehow inshallah

[salman]

subhaanAllah, we have said enough about these brothers and the truth is clear so let's make dua'a for them. There is no need for such long discussions.

btw, brother Muhsin, I was a hardcore madkhali few years back just like akh boriqee. Allhamdulillah, Allah blessed us and opened our eyes to haqq and protected us from this hizbiyyah. May Allah guide us all and keep us on haqq, ameen