> Why we don't have to be Shia'?

[Haqekka']

They have new mosques everywere......
They have new members everywere......
There are all over internet,tv and radio.......
Many books (cheap),leaflets.......
They smile and give you a even a small gift....

Why we don't have to be Shia'?
What is your
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What to advice my new muslim sisters,married to shiits?

[Aayah]

This can take for ever to talk about their false beliefs. Shia are not one sect, there are many sects of Shia starting from the most extreme one the Saba'eiah who believe that Ali Bin Abi Talib (May Allah be pleased with him) is the God -this sect is not exist anymore-, ending with the "moderate" Shia who have the slightest hate toward the companion of the prophet but still have so many false belief.

I will point out the most important things:

1. Insluting great companions of the prophet like Abu Baker, Umar, Uthman may Allah be pleased with them all with the most awful words.

2. They allow the Mut'ah (temporary) marriage, its not really a marriage. A better explanation for it can be an "arranged fornication" and it can be for hours, days, months, or years. This is a clear fornication but in a different form.

3. They always hide what they believe in, you can see them smiling and be very kind with you, but they are doing what they call "Tuqiah" which means hiding the real belief. They do this because they think if they hide what they believe in they are getting rewards for that and protecting their faith.

4. Many of them consider the "Hajj" to Karbala in Iraq (where Al-Hussain died-the prophet grandson- may Allah be pleased with him) is better than the Hajj to Macca!!!

5. They consider harming any Sunni person as a noble act that bring lots of reward from Allah even if they show kindness to them, because they hide what they do to them.


6. Some of them (the extreme maybe) Think that the Quran we use now is fabricated, and the real Quran is hidden somewhere where the Imam Ali (May Allah be pleased with him) is mentioned by name there

More about it posted in this forum too:
The Fabricated Quran by Shia
Why Shia and Sunni Conflict?
Shi'a:They wanted to insult the prophet but they didn't dare


Here are some other links about their belief:
Temporary marriage

[Haqekka']

Jazzak Allahu khayran sis Ayah!

5. They consider harming any Sunni person as a noble act that bring lots of reward from Allah even if they show kindness to them, because they hide what they do to them.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aayah]

Originally Posted by Haqekka'

Jazzak Allahu khayran sis Ayah!

5. They consider harming any Sunni person as a noble act that bring lots of reward from Allah even if they show kindness to them, because they hide what they do to them.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It can be found in their book.

That was mentioned in a book called "Shi'a and Sunnah" in Arabic.

Some of them (extremist) consider praying after a Sunni Imam is invalid as they consider him to be impure but they can't stop praying because of their Tuqiah. They think that they have to pray again as that prayer was not valid.

May Allah save us!

[Sampharo]

Originally Posted by Haqekka'

They have new mosques everywere......
They have new members everywere......
There are all over internet,tv and radio.......
Many books (cheap),leaflets.......
They smile and give you a even a small gift....

Why we don't have to be Shia'?
What is your
1)
2)
3)

What to advice my new muslim sisters,married to shiits?

These things would have been important had the new muslims joined Islam as a road to success, enjoyment and prosperity in this lifetime. Did they?

A muslim is a muslim because it is the religion of God, the one and only religion that is accepted by Him "The religion for God is Islam" [3:19].

So I would rather say:

Why we CAN'T be Shia:

1) Shia is a corruption of the fundamentals of the message of Islam, a fabricated sect created and propagated by Abdullah Ibn Saloul, a renegade jewish man who was expelled from Arabia by Khalifah Ali Ibn Abi Talib after he wanted to create a "church" of Islam similar to the creation of the catholic church after Jesus's passing. He wanted to make Khalifa Ali as its christ and began propagating his holiness. After he reached Persia, just like they did for Saint Paul, he created the Shia clerical order and spread the whole story there. After the death of Ali the whole guilt culture sprouted along with smaller sects that ranged from believing Ali was favourite to him being God himself -astaghferollah-.

2) Ahlul Bait have no holiness, as proven by the hadiths which are properly narrated and authenticated, relaying their susciptability to Hellfire if they do not abide by Islamic rulings and fulfill the obligations "Narrated by Abu Huraira that the prophet -salla allahu alaihi wasallam- said to his daughter: "Make deeds, Fatima, for I do not provide you anything (concession) from God"

3) Their worship is practically void due to serious failure in prayer methodology (prayer stone preventing full sojoud, inadequate wudu). They carry beliefs of polytheism thinking that the graves of their good people can intercede and grant them things in this lifetime and on judgement day. They hold their clerical system as an authority and knowingly take rulings from the men in turbans without requiring any of their tenets to be explained by original text. These things invalidate faith and without valid prayers as per the hadith "if the prayer is good, then so are all the other deeds, if it's corrupted then so are all the other deeds" being a Shia (at least Imameyya and whatever is more extreme) means that no deeds are counted.

May God protect us from such misguidance.

[Assad]

We dont have to be shia because:

1: They don't follow the teachings of Allah and His Messenger PBUH

2: They humiliate the noble companions of Prophet PBUHS

3: 1 & 3 makes them out of bonds of Islam.

[Haqekka']

Sis Ayah-somebody told me they believe that if Shia kill one Sunni- Jannah is granted for him ...(shock)

Sampharo-Jazzak Allahu khayran!I didn't know this facts.

Assad-Jazzak Allahu khayran!

[Aayah]

Originally Posted by Haqekka'

Sis Ayah-somebody told me they believe that if Shia kill one Sunni- Jannah is granted for him ...(shock)

That can be true for the extremist ones of them.....Allah knows the best, I am not sure of that. But they can believe in so many scary things. Keep in mind that they differ in their adhernece to their false Aqeedah. You will find some of them dont insult the companions with harsh words (but don't agree with them), dont harm sunni people but do believe about Ali may allah be pleased with him as their Imam and they allow the temporary marriage.

So not all of them are at the same level.

Check the first two links I gave in my previous post to know more about them.


Go and check the work of Ihsan Ilahi Dhahir (a Pakistani scholar) who was against them and wrote some powerful books to show their true false beliefs. They killed him while he was giving a lecture by setting up a bomb on the table he was sitting on.

[Tema]

It is very simple my lovly sister. Sister, not only are we to reject, not listen, pray with them, not have patience for their daw'ah etc...we are to strive against them as reported in a hadeeth.

I wish I knew the following in the beginning. It is really simple.

Once you accept the shahadat ( That there is no other god but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and messenger. ) You accept everything from the Qur'aan, or Allah, and everything by the Messenger, sall-Allahu alahi wa salam.

Rejecting a hadeeth is rejecting the Prophet, saws. Because it is rejecting something from Allah. Allah tells us to obey the Messanger etc...

“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”
[al-Ahzaab 33:36]

You can always repent and that is one benefit of living for a long time :)

Rejecting any part of the Qur'aan is also kufr(disbelief). You must believe that Allah revealed the Qur'aan, so rejecting that you have to cover for example, is not believing that the Qur'aan is by Allah , or whatever the excuses are. In fact, anyone who mocks the believers for following any practices by Islam is a hypocrite and a disbeliever.

Please correct me if I've said anything wrong anyone.

Islam was passed on through the chain of authority. A Prophet X teaches student A, that student teaches student B, student B teaches studdent C etc...

It is not like a telephone call game. Chain of athority is used by historians in all fields and it is the only accurate way of knowing the realities of past.

So,the Muslims who were authorized to pass Islam to generations are the scholars that we follow interpretations by. Ours is the Orthodox islam. These scholars and the early ashaba(companions) are the inheritors of the Prophet,saws, so we follow the Prophet's interpretation. Shias deny hadeeths etc.. because they do not follow the Prophet's, saws's, interpreation of the Qur'aan.
If they claim to, ask them to trace back their interpreations, and same goes for the Christians tracing back the Bible.

Please read the following threads. I made them just for you *smile*
How Tafseer is Performed?, Shaykhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyah

http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/t...al-albaan-2749

So a Muslim is someone who submitts him/herself to the will of Allah by accepting all by Allah. The Qur'aan is by Allah and so it is the Sunna. How? If Allah made the Qur'aan everyone could understand, everyone could write something like it. So Allah sends Muhammad, sall-Allahu alaihi wa salam to make it clear. The Sunna is the Qur'aan, the Qur'aan is the Sunna( this is not literally correct). If Allah explained everything of halal and haraam in the Qur'aan, it would be 10 times its size! So Allah tells us to pray and on time, the Messneger, saws, shows us etc...

Allah protected the Sunna as He protected teh Qur'aan.Now, this is where the chain of authority comes in. Some innovators made up hadeets others memory was poor etc... So the sahih hadeeths, which are many, are the protected Sunna.


When scholars differ, it doesn't meant htat it is Islam that erred.t is the scholars. That, ask someone else for a more explicit answer.

[Ibn Ilyas]

Assalamu Aleykum ww

1. They raise his rank to Allah.

In his life time, Ali r.a. They, the shiat, came him and said "you are him, you are him" Ali said: "I am who?" They said: "Inta Allaah". Audhobillah, When this happen Ali burnt them, he had a ditch dug and he burnt them in it.

Ali later says in his famous line of poetry regarding this "When I saw that the evil affair that they were doing, I kindled my blade and I burnt them in my fire"

Ali also says:

“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.” Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126


2. They raise the rank of Ali r.a. above or equal to that of the Messenger Pbuh

They the shia lie, they say that the prophet said: I and Ali were created from light and we were on the right side of throe of Allah before Allah created Adam a.s. by 2000 years - They lie and say that it was narrated by Abu Dharr

Audhobillah

3. And They are most similar to the jews.

4. And they Assassinated and betrayed Ali, betrayed Hasan, Hussain and his grandson, Zayd bin Ali ibn Hussain and the cousin of Hasan wal Hussain Muslim bin Aqil.

5. They call Abu lulu, the one who assassinated Umar r.a. "Babus Suja deen" Honoured defender of the religion that means.

Wassalaam