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[salman]

brother, it is wrong to call them reformists because they are not reforming Islam rather they are reviving the way of the Salaf. They may have problems or mistakes in their da'wah because there are number of our brothers/sisters, who call themselves salafis and associate themselves with da'wah salafiyyah, but have some serious problems in their da'wah and are too extreme. However, we do not use labels like 'reformists' for them because this is not correct. Khayr, I do not want to get into too much details here and confuse you and others, who do not know about this issue.

[ardianto]

Brother Salman,
I am sorry if I used term Salafi for labeled those 'reformists' because I don't know how can I call them. Their movement was inspired by a movement that labeled by other people as 'Wahabism'. Their organizations are Muhammadiyah and Persis/Persatuan Islam.

And please don't ever thinking label 'Reformist' is for insult them.
First. That because they have no objection to this label.
Second. How can I insult them if I stand on their side ?.

Before those 'Reformists' started their movement, Islam in Indonesia is full of shirk and bid'ah. Also all masjid in Indonesia were facing to wrong direction, then those 'Reformists' changed that direction into right direction to Qiblat.

Brother, reformist is different than modernist.
If Modernist change an old thing into new, Reformist Re-Change a wrong formation back to the right formation.

I think this misunderstanding has clears, brother.

[ardianto]

And I found two opinions about da'wah in video.

#1. This is bid'ah, but good and allowable bid'ah.

#2. This is innovation that not considered as bid'ah.

I want to know, which the correct opinion ?.

[salman]

Originally Posted by ardianto

Brother Salman,
I am sorry if I used term Salafi for labeled those 'reformists' because I don't know how can I call them. Their movement was inspired by a movement that labeled by other people as 'Wahabism'. Their organizations are Muhammadiyah and Persis/Persatuan Islam.

And please don't ever thinking label 'Reformist' is for insult them.
First. That because they have no objection to this label.
Second. How can I insult them if I stand on their side ?.

Before those 'Reformists' started their movement, Islam in Indonesia is full of shirk and bid'ah. Also all masjid in Indonesia were facing to wrong direction, then those 'Reformists' changed that direction into right direction to Qiblat.

Brother, reformist is different than modernist.
If Modernist change an old thing into new, Reformist Re-Change a wrong formation back to the right formation.

I think this misunderstanding has clears, brother.

akhee al-kareem, I did not say that you are insulting them or why are you associating them with salafis etc. I was simply saying that you are using an incorrect word to define their da'wah and methodology. Now that you have explained the whole context, the implication of word 'reformists' is clear and what you meant by it. However, generally speaking, 'reformist' will be taken as if they are modernists as the word has negative connotation and in order to clarify your meaning you will have to explain the whole context every time. So, you are making your life difficult. Hence, it is better to use the word 'reviver' as that suits them perfectly and it will get your message across. The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) would use the best of and easy of words in his speech

I hope this settles this lafzi difference, insha'Allah

Originally Posted by ardianto

And I found two opinions about da'wah in video.

#1. This is bid'ah, but good and allowable bid'ah.

#2. This is innovation that not considered as bid'ah.

I want to know, which the correct opinion ?.

cameras and using them is not a bida' in religion. It is a linguistic bida' as it is a new invention and then the scholars made ijitihad to issue the ruling and they said it is permissible to use video for this purpose:

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on videotaping celebrations, conferences and seminars?

He replied: If there is the hope that people may benefit from the videotaping of the party, seminar or Islamic meeting in which there is the call to Allaah, and it is believed that this is most likely to serve a good purpose and that this videotaping will be good and will benefit the people, then there is nothing wrong with that in sha Allaah. End quote from Fataawa Islamiyyah (4/367).

Islam Question and Answer - Taking pictures of student activities with a video camera and digital camera

I saw the other day you were looking into this issue of photgrapghs etc. Have a look at these:

The issue of photographs
If image-making is haraam, how come it is permissible to watch TV and videos?

and Allah knows best

[ardianto]

Originally Posted by salman

akhee al-kareem, I did not say that you are insulting them or why are you associating them with salafis etc. I was simply saying that you are using an incorrect word to define their da'wah and methodology. Now that you have explained the whole context, the implication of word 'reformists' is clear and what you meant by it. However, generally speaking, 'reformist' will be taken as if they are modernists as the word has negative connotation and in order to clarify your meaning you will have to explain the whole context every time. So, you are making your life difficult. Hence, it is better to use the word 'reviver' as that suits them perfectly and it will get your message across. The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) would use the best of and easy of words in his speech

I hope this settles this lafzi difference, insha'Allah

I know 'reformists' has negative connotation. However, in my country they are called 'reformists' or even 'modernists', but in positive connotation, and they have no objection although they never call themselves in these labels.

They called as 'reformists' because they made 'reformation', re-format Islam that gone wrong back to the right formation.

And about 'modernist'. Actually it sourced from 'modern' because they have made many ij'tihad that made Sharia rule became compatible in modern age, i.e rule about Sharia banking. Also they have great attention to build ummah wealth. Different than 'traditionalist' that always focus in rituals.

But brother, I think we must stop discuss about them and back to topic.

cameras and using them is not a bida' in religion. It is a linguistic bida' as it is a new invention and then the scholars made ijitihad to issue the ruling and they said it is permissible to use video for this purpose:

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on videotaping celebrations, conferences and seminars?

He replied: If there is the hope that people may benefit from the videotaping of the party, seminar or Islamic meeting in which there is the call to Allaah, and it is believed that this is most likely to serve a good purpose and that this videotaping will be good and will benefit the people, then there is nothing wrong with that in sha Allaah. End quote from Fataawa Islamiyyah (4/367).

Islam Question and Answer - Taking pictures of student activities with a video camera and digital camera

I saw the other day you were looking into this issue of photgrapghs etc. Have a look at these:

The issue of photographs
If image-making is haraam, how come it is permissible to watch TV and videos?

and Allah knows best

Thank you very much, brother.
But I think I make an understanding again.

Actually, my question was inspired by a discussion about "Is there good bid'ah ?'.
One party said "There are good bid'ah. In example da'wah in video, use loud speaker in azan, build orphanages, etc".
But another party said "Those are not bi'dah".

[Haqekka']

Originally Posted by ardianto

Actually, my question was inspired by a discussion about "Is there good bid'ah ?'.
One party said "There are good bid'ah. In example da'wah in video, use loud speaker in azan, build orphanages, etc".
But another party said "Those are not bi'dah".

I need to know that too,some more details then:this is not religious practices.
I need as many examples as posible!I have a book about bid'a and did not get is-so I'm worry!