> What is Bidah?

[abu bakr]

Asalamyalikum

my question is what is Bidah? I know the linguistic meaning of bidah it mean new innovation.

We know the celebrating Prophet birth day is bidah, etc? those things are easily defineable.

but the question raises about the things which main stream still follow. The Ahle Sunnat wa Jammat.

1. Taraweh 20 rakat Umer r.a time
2. 2nd adhan of jummah was introduced at Usman r,a time
3.Complilation of Qur'an ABu Bakr r,a Time
4. Taking out all the auhraf of the quran and making them one and they were 7 at prophet time Usman r,a time

These are the things we main stream muslim still accept them. Shouldnt these things should be considered bidah too since these things came after prophet.

[salman]

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As you have mentioned anything which is new is an innovation, this is the linguistic definition of bid'ah. Similarly, from Islamic point of view (in Shari'ah) anything which is new in Islam is bid'ah. Please refer to this thread for scholarly view on this: What is Bidah (innovation)?

As far concerning the items you listed; only a person who lacks knowledge will say that these are bid'ah

1 - The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) performed the Tarweeh Salah in Jama'ah in Masjid with the Sahabah for two days in a row. Hence, offering the Tarweeh Salah in Masjid in Jama'h already existed in Islam. It was later revived by Hadhrat 'Umar (radiallahu anho); therefore, it is not bid'ah. This is proven by the hadith:

Narrated from 'Aa'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) prayed one night in the mosque, and the people followed him in prayer. Then he prayed the next night, and many people came. Then they gathered on the third or fourth night, and the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not come out to them. The next morning he said: "I saw what you did, and nothing kept me from coming out to you except the fact that I feared that it would be made obligatory for you." [Reported by Shaykhaeen]

As far concerning whether 20 Rak'ah or 8 Rak'ah, this is well known fiqhi difference and layman like us shouldn't argue over this. As far as I know, 8 Rak'ah is the Sunnah of Allah's Rasoul (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) and so is 20 Rak'ah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said pray as much as you want and he did not limit a number. Insha'Allah, both of the views are correct and there shouldn't extremism in this matter.

Please refer to these for scholaraly view on this matter:
Praying Taraweeh in the mosque in congregation is better than praying at home
Numbers of rak'ahs in Taraaweeh prayer

2 - As far as i know this was the ijtihad of Hadhrat 'Uthman (radiallahu anho) and adhan already existed in Islam. How can this be bid'ah? This matter need be addressed in details and don't take my words. I'll ask few student of knowledge to shed some light on this matter and then i'll share it here, insha'Allah.

3 - The Qur'an was written down during the life time of the Rasoul of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi was salam). Hadhrat Abu Bakar (radiallahu anho) simply put the written parts together. This is proved by the authentic ahadith reported by the Shaykhaeen (May Allah be pleased with them).

4 - Sahih ahadith tell us that Qur'an can be recited in 7 different ways as the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) said so. How can choosing one of them is bid'ah?

Wallahu A'lam (and Allah knows best)

[abu bakr]

Brother Salman these are not my arguments. These arguments are presented by those people who practice bidah. when u tell them that the thing they are practicing is bidah than they present these things. Like these things came after Prophet how can u say that those things arnt bidah.
In prophet time did they prayed all 27 days in Jamiat. Taraweh.
If they didnt and muslim do it today than how come this isnt bidah. There argument. Not mine.

[salman]

^As-Salamu 'Alaykum bro

I'm already aware of their silly arguments and I know that these're not your arguments. Praying Salat Tarweeh in Jama'ah in Masjid is the Sunnah of Allah's Rasoul (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam), whether it is one day, two days, or 29/30 days. The Sahih hadith is clear on the reason why Allah's Rasoul (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) didn't continue this practice. If something already existed in Islam, how can a sound minded person say that it is bid'ah? Can they prove that what they do already existed in Islam? For example, reciting the Qur'an and doing dhikr in gatherings, sending the thawab (reward) of reciting the Qur'an to the dead, celebrating Milad, worshiping dead and alive saints and ask them for help etc!

These people came to be muqalid of Imam Abou Hanifa (rahimahullah) then why don't they follow this statement of Imam (rahimahullah):

Asad ibn "Amr ibn Abi Yoosuf said: I asked Abu Haneefah about Taraweeh and what "Umar did. He said: Taraweeh is a confirmed Sunnah, and "Umar did not base his decision on speculation and he was not introducing bid'ah (an innovation). He did not enjoin it except because of what he knew from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). "Umar introduced this and gathered the people behind Ubayy ibn Ka'b and he offered this prayer in congregation, at the time when the Sahaabah �" the Muhaajireen and Ansaar �" were still alive, and no one among them objected to that, rather they helped him and agreed with him, and also enjoined it.
al-Mawsoo'ah al-Fiqhiyyah (27/138)

Their ignorance is indeed worth to note!

[salman]

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Originally Posted by abu bakr

2. 2nd adhan of jummah was introduced at Usman r,a time
3.Complilation of Qur'an ABu Bakr r,a Time

Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid (May Allah preserve him) says:

With regard to what you mention about Abu Bakr compiling the Qur'an, this is not bid'ah, rather it is Sunnah such as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) enjoined us to adhere to when he said: "I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided khaleefahs after me." (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2676; Abu Dawood, 4607; Ibn Maajah, 42. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi, by al-Haakim, 1/177; and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami', 2549, from the hadeeth of al-"Irbaad ibn Saariyah). This is one of the Sunnahs of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefah Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allah be pleased with him).
Bid'ah means seeking to draw close to Allah by means of acts of worship for which there is no precedent (in sharee'ah). The Qur'an was compiled in people's hearts and it was compiled on tablets kept by some of the Sahaabah. Compiling all of it in one place or on one tablet does not involve anything that is to be denounced.

Zayd ibn Thaabit said �" when Abu Bakr delegated him to collect the Mus-haf �" I sought the Qur'an and I gathered it from pieces, i.e., leaves, patches of leather, shoulder-blades of sheep and camels, leaves of palm trees, and the hearts of men.

Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr al-Baaqillaani mentioned the justification for the action of Abu Bakr, the five most important points of which were:

1 �" That the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did not do that for a reason, and Abu Bakr did it because there was a need for it.

2 �" Allah referred in the Qur'an to al-Suhuf al-Oola (the former Scriptures �" al-A'laa 89:19], and He stated that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had something similar in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning]: "reciting (the Qur'an) purified pages [purified from Al-Baatil (falsehood)]. Wherein are correct and straight laws from Allah" [al-Bayyinah 98:2-3]. So this [action of Abu Bakr] was following that which was prescribed by Allah and His Messenger.

3 �" By doing that, their intention was to fulfil the words of Allah:
"Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)"[al-Hijr 15:9]. It was preserved with Him, and He told us that He would preserve it after it had been sent down. Part of His preserving it was His enabling the Sahaabah to gather it and to agree upon how its spelling and punctuation were to be regulated.

4 �" The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had scribes to whom he dictated it, so that everyone would understand from this that it should be written down and preserved on sheets. If Allah's guarantee to preserve it meant that the ummah would have nothing to do with it, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) would not have had it written down after Allah had told him of His guarantee to preserve it. But it is known that the way in which Allah has preserved it is by causing us to preserve it and making that easy for us, and showing us how it is to be written down.

5 �" It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade traveling with the Qur'an to the land of the enemy. This indicates that it was written down and that the people used to take it with them when they travelled. Abu Bakr ibn al-'Arabi said: this is the clearest evidence for anyone who studies the issue

With regard to your saying that 'Umar added "something new" to the adhaan, we know nothing of that. But perhaps you were referring to the fact that 'Uthmaan added the first call to the Jumu'ah prayers. This is correct, because at the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), there was just one adhaan, but when 'Uthmaan became khaleefah and Madeenah became larger, 'Uthmaan thought that the call for Jumu'ah should be given before the time, so the people could get ready for the prayer. This is what is called the first adhaan.

It was narrated that al-Saa'ib ibn Yazeed said: At the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), Abu Bakr and 'Umar, the first call on Friday used to be when the imaam was sitting on the minbar. But at the time of "Uthmaan (may Allah be pleased with him), when the number of people increased, he added the third call. According to one report, 'Uthmaan gave orders for the first call. According to another report, the second adhaan was enjoined by 'Uthmaan. There is no contradiction here, because it is called the third call in the sense that it was something added; the first in the sense that it comes before the adhaan and iqaamah; and the second in the sense that this is an adhaan given in addition to the real adhaan, which was given in al-Zawraa'. Abu 'Abd-Allah �" i.e., al-Bukhaari �" said that al-Zawraa' was a place in the market of Madeenah.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 870.

This adhaan is not a bid'ah or reprehensible innovation, rather it is one of the Sunnahs of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefah 'Uthmaan ibn "Affaan (may Allah be pleased with him), which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) urged us to adhere to when he said: "I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided khaleefahs after me."

Moreover there is a sound reason behind it, which is to alert the people to the fact that the time of prayer is at hand. And it is worth noting that there are no rulings attached to this (first) adhaan, such as the prohibition on buying or selling or the obligation to go to the mosque, and that 'Uthmaan was wise to have this call made in the marketplace and not in the mosque. This is no more than an alert to the people, to let them know that the time for prayer is at hand, because the houses were far away and far from one another, as mentioned above.

Hence it was narrated that 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) did not do that in Kufa because there was no need for it.

And Allah knows best.

Source: Are the compilation of the Qur'an and the first adhaan for Jumu'ah forms of bid'ah (innovation)?

Wallahu A'lam (and Allah knows best)

[Asalaafiyah Alathariyah]

assalaamu alaikuum.. bidah is everything that you add of the ibadah.. let it be the way that the prophet did... dont add things... which the prophet didnt do neither the sahabah .. radiyall allahu anhum

[ardianto]

Originally Posted by salman

As far concerning whether 20 Rak'ah or 8 Rak'ah, this is well known fiqhi difference and layman like us shouldn't argue over this. As far as I know, 8 Rak'ah is the Sunnah of Allah's Rasoul (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) and so is 20 Rak'ah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said pray as much as you want and he did not limit a number. Insha'Allah, both of the views are correct and there shouldn't extremism in this matter.

In Indonesia, Salat Tarweeh in Masjids that affiliated with 'traditionalist' (Safi'i madhab - Sufism tradition) always 20 Rak'ah. And Salat Tarweeh in Masjids that affiliated with 'reformist' (Salafi) usually 8 Rak'ah.

But, it's normal if in Ramadan Indonesian Muslim salah tarweeh 20 Rak'ah this evening and salah tarweeh 8 Rak'ah next evening. In different Masjid, of course.

[Haqekka']

Yes,my first Taraweh was 20 rak'at,next Ramadan I was so confused with 8 rak'at in other mosque...
then I was confused about the subha(beeds); books,shaiks..one said yes it is bid'a,other say is not...

Bid'a is confusing and is aways wrong!
Other muslims are calling me ,,wahabi,,-I don't know what they mean by that,they have said there is a good bid'a and give hadeeth to support.
I know they are wrong.

can somebody give a list of most common bid'a muslims do?

[salman]

Originally Posted by ardianto

In Indonesia, Salat Tarweeh in Masjids that affiliated with 'traditionalist' (Safi'i madhab - Sufism tradition) always 20 Rak'ah. And Salat Tarweeh in Masjids that affiliated with 'reformist' (Salafi) usually 8 Rak'ah.

But, it's normal if in Ramadan Indonesian Muslim salah tarweeh 20 Rak'ah this evening and salah tarweeh 8 Rak'ah next evening. In different Masjid, of course.

akhee, there was a mistake in my response and I have corrected it, Allhamdulillah.

Whether one prays 20 rakah or 8 rakah, he is following the sunnah because the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) prayed both ways and he did not limit any number - this is what I have learned from people of knowledge. It is binding upon the laypeople, like ourselves, to follow a fatwa of the mufti so if one's mufti says that pray 20 rakah and he is happy with the fatwa then he should follow it without shoving forcing this fawata on others.

I do not know what kind of salafis you have in your area but the distinction you made is not correct. Both of them are from Ahlus Sunnah so such distinction is wrong. These salafis, who say we are not following a math-hab, are also following a math-hab one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Haqekka'

Yes,my first Taraweh was 20 rak'at,next Ramadan I was so confused with 8 rak'at in other mosque...
then I was confused about the subha(beeds); books,shaiks..one said yes it is bid'a,other say is not...

sister, please ignore these extreme views, both ways are the sunnah and pay no heed to those who say otherwise. I will try to summarize and bring some points on this issue on this weekend, insha'Allah. But for now you can refer to fatawa link I posted above.

Originally Posted by Haqekka'

Bid'a is confusing and is aways wrong!
Other muslims are calling me ,,wahabi,,-I don't know what they mean by that,they have said there is a good bid'a and give hadeeth to support.
I know they are wrong.

can somebody give a list of most common bid'a muslims do?

ukhti, insha'Allah, I think you do not need to know what they mean by the label 'wahabi'. Neither you should spend your time with them or pay any attention to what they say. They will only confuse you and lead you to misguidance as they have done to themselves. Just refer to fatwa links I have posted above: they should help you to understand this issue better, insha'Allah

As far list of common bid'a, this is not easy because many Muslims do all sorts of things. The well known one is the celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam). For others, we will have to look at individually. You may also want to browse through Islam Question and Answer - Innovations in Religion and Worship

Please ask any questions you have related to this subject and we will try to help you, insha'Allah

and Allah knows best

[ardianto]

Akhee Salman,
maybe term of Salafi in my post is incorrect, but in Indonesia 'reformist' means Muslim who attempt to clean up Islam from "Tach'yul, Bid'ah, Churafat", and attempt to bring ummah leave Shirk and Sufism tradition and go to the way of three earliest generations.

Insha Allah, I will make a thread about Indonesian 'reformist' Muslims.