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[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


Qisas [aka Retaliation];

http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/q...gota-pay-1876/


I'll try to collect the evidences from the Bulugh al Maraam book.

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


Wife Beating? [can someone find the original quote from tafsir al tabari in arabic, and the volume/page number. of verse Al Nisa 4:34.


Allah = Moon God?



This is a christian or hebrew dictionary;

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh162/speed2kx/AllahinOT.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2280/allahinot.jpg

found it from the bismikallahuma website.

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


Forced Marital Rape?
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/a...-husband-1786/



Religion didn't evolve to become Monotheism, infact the opposite occurs through history;

Evolutionary Model of Religion:
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/a...futation-1498/

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

as-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah.

Ok, under the title of Jesus I would propose this:

Jesus:
I - Jesus in Islam
II - Responses to Common Questions/Assertations about Jesus

The link to the II part would then have a list of articles on it which are divided into basic and in depth. Under the II part I would like to put forth this: Jesus: Lord, Liar or Lunatic? Or Lied Upon?

Also I would propose a different entry for Bible, which would be like:

Bible:
I - The Bible in Islam
II - General Biblical Articles

Under the first catagory I would include articles like what does Islam teach about Previous scriptures and how does this relate with the Bible, i.e is the Injeel the Bible? etc Also the question of does Islam endorse the Bible.

In the II part I would discuss different aspects of the BIble like who wrote what, whether its been preserved, General Biblica stuff.

Br.al-Habeshi

[Aayah]

Marriage Relations with 'Children'?

Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

روى البخاري، عن عبيد بن إسماعيل، عن أبي أسامة، عن هشام بن عروة، عن أبيه.
قال: توفيت خديجة قبل مخرج النبي بثلاث سنين فلبث سنتين - أو قريبا من ذلك - ونكح عائشة وهي بنت ست سنين، ثم بنى بها وهي بنت تسع سنين

Aisha’s own statement in which she said:When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab al-Nikah)

قالت عائشة: إذا بلغت الجارية تسع سنين فهي امرأة (سنن الترمذي، كتاب النكاح، باب تزويج الأب البكر الصغيرة

Imam Ibn kathir (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates a hadith in his Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah:

"Imam Bukhari (May Allah have mercy on him) narrates another hadith which he heard from Farwa bin abi al-Mughria who heard from 'Ali bin Masher who heard from Hisham bin 'Urawh who heard from his father who reports from 'Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her), who said: 'When the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was betrowth to me, I was six years old. Later, when we migrated from Makkah to Medina and stayed at bin harith bin khdhrj's place, I had grown up. My hair had got longer and I had physically matured; however, I still used to play with other girls...I was nine years old at that time."
Source Page 210-211

The full story is here as it had been narrated by Bukhari:

وقال البخاري: حدثنا فروة بن أبي المغراء، حدثنا علي بن مسهر، عن هشام بن عروة، عن أبيه، عن عائشة.
قالت: تزوجني النبي وأنا بنت ست سنين، فقدمنا المدينة فنزلنا في بني الحارث بن الخزرج فوعكت فتمزق شعري، وقد وفت لي جميمة، فأتتني أمي أم رومان، وإني لفي أرجوحة ومعي صواحب لي، فصرخت بي فأتيتها ما أدري ما تريد مني، فأخذت بيدي حتى أوقفتني على باب الدار، وإني لأنهج حتى سكن بعض نفسي، ثم أخذت شيئا من ماء فمست به وجهي ورأسي، ثم أدخلتني الدار. قال: فإذا نسوة من الأنصار في البيت فقلن: على الخير والبركة وعلى خير طائر، فأسلمتني إليهن فأصلحن من شأني فلم يرعني إلا رسول الله ضحىً، فأسلمنني إليه وأنا يومئذٍ بنت تسع سنين

Side note: I edited the word (balagha) in your post. If you talk about the matuarity its (bulugh) بلوغ while the word balagha بلاغة means eloquence

[salman]

^sister, the narration Imam Bukhari (rahimahullah) narrated in his sahih is not the same narration which mentioned by Imam ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) in his Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah. The wordings are not the same and interestingly the isnaad is the same, meaning the narrators are the same. The narration in sahih al-Bukhari has following wording:

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what he wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

It would be better to check Arabic Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah to find that narration as I translated that from urdu Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah.

[Aayah]

Yeah that it is. But I did already a long search and in each search I found only that narration. Also I noticed in that post that the story was not completed as there was dots....in the middle of the story. I checked the link that was given at the end of the post to make sure but since I cant read urdu I could not check where exactly the story was cutted from like here:

I still used to play with other girls...I was nine years old at that time."

so, that confused me a little bit. If you dont mind, if I can have the link that english translation taken from it will be great? because that was the only Arabic text I found in all websites that explain Al-Bidayah wa-Nihayah!

[Qatada]

asalam alykum

Ayah, can u quote the full source of the hadith in Tirmidhi? The one where Aisha says a girl becomes a woman at 9yrs old? Like a hadith number etc.

[salman]

^^sister, English translation of al-Bidyyah's text? If so, then i translated that from urdu and it was taken from the link provided. al-Bukhari's translation was taken from USC website. Here is rough translation of the missing part:

however I still used to play with other girls. Around that time, one day Umm Roomaan came to me, (she) held me from my hand (and) took me away while I was playing with some of my girl friends. I was suprised (and wondering) where she was taking me. She took me to an ansaar's house and (they) told me to wash my face and hair with a water, which was mixed with (some) fragrance. One woman put makeup on me and a bridal cloth. Then (they) took me to another house where many women gave me a standing ovation and wished good luck and Allah's Blessings. In this house, I first time saw the Messenger of Allah - sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam - as my husband and said salam to him. I had become 9 years old at that time.

I hope this could help; you see the wording is quite different. btw, in Arabic Bidyyah, did you find the exact text which is found in sahih al-bukhari? I don't know if urdu translation is incorrect or such, Allahu A'lam

[Amat Allah]

Asalamo Alikum Wa Rahmato Allahi wa Barakatoh

bismellah...

Slaves:

Allah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said about slaves: [translation of meaning];

" Those slaves are your brothers, only God gave you an upper hand over them. So let that who has his brother (i.e. slave) under him give him the same food he himself eats, and the same clothing as he himself wears. The master may not give his brother a task that is beyond his ability. If he does give him such task, let him lend him a hand."

Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29

حَدَّثَنَا آدَمُ بْنُ أَبِي إِيَاسٍ حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ حَدَّثَنَا وَاصِلٌ الْأَحْدَبُ قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ الْمَعْرُورَ بْنَ سُويْدٍ قَالَ: رَأَيْتُ أَبَا ذَرٍّ الْغِفَارِيَّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ وَعَلَيْهِ حُلَّةٌ وَعَلَى غُلَامِهِ حُلَّةٌ فَسَأَلْنَاهُ عَنْ ذَلِكَ فَقَالَ: إِنِّي سَابَبْتُ رَجُلًا فَشَكَانِي إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَقَالَ لِي النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: أَعَيَّرْتَهُ بِأُمِّهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ :إِنَّ إِخْوَانَكُمْ خَوَلُكُمْ جَعَلَهُمْ اللَّهُ تَحْتَ أَيْدِيكُمْ فَمَنْ كَانَ أَخُوهُ تَحْتَ يَدِهِ فَلْيُطْعِمْهُ مِمَّا يَأْكُلُ وَلْيُلْبِسْهُ مِمَّا يَلْبَسُ وَلَا تُكَلِّفُوهُمْ مَا يَغْلِبُهُمْ فَإِنْ كَلَّفْتُمُوهُمْ مَا يَغْلِبُهُمْ فَأَعِينُوهُمْ
"
صحيح البخاري ,باب العتق,2359

Abdul-Lah bin 'Umar freed a slave of his then picked a twig from the ground and said:

" I shall not receive for freeing him the worth of this in the Hereafter. I heard the Messenger of Allah say : ' If a man hits or beats his slave, his atonement is the freeing of that slave. [Reported by Muslim and Abu Dawud]


:حَدَّثَنِي اَبُو كَامِلٍ، فُضَيْلُ بْنُ حُسَيْنٍ الْجَحْدَرِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا اَبُو عَوَانَةَ، عَنْ فِرَاسٍ، عَنْ ذَكْوَانَ اَبِي صَالِحٍ، عَنْ زَاذَانَ اَبِي عُمَرَ، قَالَ اَتَيْتُ ابْنَ عُمَرَ وَقَدْ اَعْتَقَ مَمْلُوكًا - قَالَ :- فَاَخَذَ مِنَ الاَرْضِ عُودًا اَوْ شَيْئًا فَقَالَ :مَا فِيهِ مِنَ الاَجْرِ مَا يَسْوَى هَذَا اِلاَّ اَنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ: ‏"‏ مَنْ لَطَمَ مَمْلُوكَهُ اَوْ ضَرَبَهُ فَكَفَّارَتُهُ اَنْ يُعْتِقَهُ ‏"‏
(رواه مسلم ,و أبو داوود)

And those who guard their chastity,
Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,

[Quran Al Ma'arij 70: 29-30]

"إوَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ (29
إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ (30)"
سورة المعارج

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3 [book of knowledge], Number 97:

Narrated Abu Burda's father:

Allah's Apostle said "Three persons will have a double reward:
1. A Person from the people of the scriptures who believed in his prophet (Jesus or Moses) and then believed in the Prophet Muhammad (i .e. has embraced Islam).
2. A slave who discharges his duties to Allah and his master.
3. A master of a woman-slave who teaches her good manners and educates her in the best possible way (the religion) and manumits her and then marries her."



‏أَخْبَرَنَا ‏ ‏مُحَمَّدٌ هُوَ ابْنُ سَلَامٍ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏الْمُحَارِبِيُّ ‏ ‏قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏صَالِحُ بْنُ حَيَّانَ ‏ ‏قَالَ :قَالَ ‏ ‏عَامِرٌ الشَّعْبِيُّ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنِي ‏ ‏أَبُو بُرْدَةَ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِيهِ ‏ ‏قَالَ :‏
‏قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ :‏
:ثلَاثَةٌ لَهُمْ أَجْرَانِ
.رَجُلٌ مِنْ ‏ ‏أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ‏ ‏آمَنَ بِنَبِيِّهِ وَآمَنَ ‏ ‏بِمُحَمَّدٍ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏_
.‏وَالْعَبْدُ الْمَمْلُوكُ إِذَا أَدَّى حَقَّ اللَّهِ وَحَقَّ مَوَالِيهِ_
ورَجُلٌ كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ أَمَةٌ فَأَدَّبَهَا فَأَحْسَنَ تَأْدِيبَهَا وَعَلَّمَهَا فَأَحْسَنَ تَعْلِيمَهَا ثُمَّ أَعْتَقَهَا فَتَزَوَّجَهَا فَلَهُ أَجْرَانِ
.رواه البخاري,باب العلم,95