> Examining claims against Zaid Hamid

[Assad]

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Originally Posted by maqsad

He exposed nothing new about the CIA. Everything he said about the CIA is already public knowledge. He didn't expose anything new. Only uneducated, uninformed ignorant people are unaware of what the CIA does and how it works. Zaid Hamid simply translated English documentaries and books into Urdu and that has impressed a lot of people who were too illiterate and lazy to go look for all that information by themselves before. It is these fools that he has impressed but the rest of us have known MUCH MORE THAN THIS FOR YEARS ALREADY.

Ofcourse, That is why I said that he is doing a great job for nation! You educated person who knew all this and even much more then just all this, did you ever try to bring this public and expose the plans of enemy to public? No, because you never thought its necessary, you are acting like our media which is using the selfish agendas. So we should praise Zaid Hamid for doing this work for the nation, to bring the knowledge to our public.

Originally Posted by maqsad

Wow...I was the one who said that he is NOT Zaid Zaman and you are asking me to prove that he IS Zaid Zaman? Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote properly and carefully because you seem to have no clue as to what I said. I WAS ARGUING THAT ZAID HAMID AND ZAID ZAMAN WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

If someone who misunderstands here, than its not me, Its you. I said that he clarified his stance once that he have no links with any cult, and you are saying he does "without any proof".

Originally Posted by maqsad

Once again, this drama about them being the same person running a sufi cult is created by Zaid Hamid himself to take people's attention off the real evidence of him being a CIA agent. The agents of Zaid Hamid are busy on the internet spreading fake stories about the sufi cult. Zaid Hamid is holding on to the solid proof to get him off the hook(for now) and at the right time Zaid Hamid's agents or Zaid Hamid himself will release this proof(maybe it is a video) to make critics of Zaid Hamid look like fools and scammers.

I find this part very funny. What evidence is Zaid Hamid holding off and why? Do you think this muc of stupid stuff is enough and so that people wouldnt analyse his information? And how do you "Dream" that he is fooling nation? He only expose enemy and CIA plan which you said you knowledgable people already know!

Originally Posted by maqsad

The goal of Zaid Hamid's operatives is to convince people to stop analysing his speeches and actions and instead to waste time looking into this nonsensical fake sufi cult story so that the real proof about Zaid Hamid being a fraud remains hidden from most people.

lol..why would then he make speeches If he want people not to analyse them! Why does he say in his speeches that we should analyse the facts ourselves ? And what real proof about zaid hamid remains hidden from people? That he is a CIA agent ? ;)

Originally Posted by maqsad

Now what is the dirty business Zaid Hamid is trying to distract from? How he handled the Mumbai blasts! He betrayed Pakistan! Instead of proving that RAW conducted the Mumbai false flag attack Zaid Hamid just made pakistanis look like fools by making up nonsense like "that guy has a hindu face". At the same time he did not produce anything to help Pakistan. Nothing unique. Nothing.

Anybody can see that you are only speaking of foolishness. He blamed RAW for the attacks and He said the truth that India and CIA are involved!! And he didnt make a fool, the guy got a hindu face, I am sorry If you cant recognise that. But my friend you have NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.

Originally Posted by maqsad

I never accused him of any of this. In fact I think he spread these lies himself as a distraction. I told you that already.

Stop embrassing yourself now! You said all this! You said that he is running a sufi cult!

Originally Posted by maqsad

He diverted attention to that nonsensical sufi cult story. Now everyone is focused on that story but they are ignoring what he did on TV regarding the Mumbai attacks! That was his plan all along. Look at his actions.

Nobody is focused on this, go open your eyes and look around.. we all are listening to his speeches and "busy" analysing them!

You have proved that you are a person who have no knowledge about Sir Zaid Hamid and you havent even watched his speeches and just making absurdities here. To me you look like a indian guy or maybe a CIA agent....?

I wouldnt bother replying to your absurdities now. I may prevent you to doing more though.

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Regards

[maqsad]

Originally Posted by Acid

Stop embrassing yourself now! You said all this! You said that he is running a sufi cult!

Lets get this out of the way first. Show me where I said he is running a sufi cult. We will come to the dozen other points later.

[Assad]

Originally Posted by maqsad

The goal of Zaid Hamid's operatives is to convince people to stop analysing his speeches and actions and instead to waste time looking into this nonsensical fake sufi cult story so that the real proof about Zaid Hamid being a fraud remains hidden from most people.

Here is what I said and what I am saying. You said that he is "making" this story of running a sufi cult himself and thats why he doesnt reply and to this I said that you he already states his religious and political posts on his website. To this you replied:

Originally Posted by maqsad

I never accused him of any of this. In fact I think he spread these lies himself as a distraction. I told you that already.

So there is a contradiction in what you say, First you say that he is spreading lies about running a sufi cult. Then you say that you dont accuse him of belonging to the cult then you.Then what I said that he stated it clear this matter and closed it once and for good that he does not belong to any sect or run anything then you are asking for to clear this ? I can understand.

Now I genuinely believe that you are a disappointed Indian who is impersonating. As you dont even know the full story about what you are talking about.

In all your posts you referred to Zaid hamid and running a Sufi cult story. While the conspiracy against him is just baseless it doesnt even speak a thing about Sufi cult. You dont even know what exactly is the accusation against Zaid hamd but you are still speaking against him!! Nobody ever accused him of running a secret sufi cult... they accused him of something else which I'll leave for you find out. This tells us that you are not a Muslim either, and you just got an idea about the accusations and thought that it must be a sufi cult and came up all the way to here.

Look's like you are a CIA backed RAW Agent. I'll carry out the investigations now..

[maqsad]

Originally Posted by Acid

Here is what I said and what I am saying. You said that he is "making" this story of running a sufi cult himself and thats why he doesnt reply and to this I said that you he already states his religious and political posts on his website. To this you replied:



So there is a contradiction in what you say, First you say that he is spreading lies about running a sufi cult. Then you say that you dont accuse him of belonging to the cult then you.Then what I said that he stated it clear this matter and closed it once and for good that he does not belong to any sect or run anything then you are asking for to clear this ? I can understand.

Now I genuinely believe that you are a disappointed Indian who is impersonating. As you dont even know the full story about what you are talking about.

In all your posts you referred to Zaid hamid and running a Sufi cult story. While the conspiracy against him is just baseless it doesnt even speak a thing about Sufi cult. You dont even know what exactly is the accusation against Zaid hamd but you are still speaking against him!! Nobody ever accused him of running a secret sufi cult... they accused him of something else which I'll leave for you find out. This tells us that you are not a Muslim either, and you just got an idea about the accusations and thought that it must be a sufi cult and came up all the way to here.

Look's like you are a CIA backed RAW Agent. I'll carry out the investigations now..

Your powers of logical deduction seem to be as lacking as your English grammar skills. You sound totally confused. In fact I cannot tell whether you are deliberately trying to confuse anyone who reads your nonsense or you really are this incompetent in understanding simple english and using simple logic. I'm going to restate what I have said in very simple English in points and you show me again where the contradiction is.

1. I have said that Zaid Hamid and Zaid Zaman are two separate people, NOT the same person. I have always said that I suspect this. Understand?

2. I have said that I suspect that Zaid Hamid himself along with his agents has spread a fake story around the internet of him belonging to some wacked out sufi cult.

3a. I have said that the reason I suspect Zaid Zaman and all his agents and helpers are spreading this false story about himself is to keep peoples attention on this false story about the cult that Zaid Zaman belonged to AND AWAY FROM THE LITTLE LIES HE SLIPS INTO HIS VIDEOS.

Now point 3a is going to be kind of hard for you to grasp because of your limited English skills so read it very slowly as many times as you need to. Once you have grasped the meaning of 3a then move on to 3b:

3b. The reason Zaid Hamid wants to divert attention from his LITTLE LIES in his vidoes to HIS FAKE DRAMA ABOUT THE CULT(that he created himself) is very simple. If all his viewers spend time looking for all the lies in his videos then more and more of them will figure out that there is something wrong with Zaid Hamid--that he is a CIA agent or some other kind of agent.

Now before I proceed further--show me where the contradiction is. You sound like you are having some sort of a manic fit--you don't sound logical at all. So since I laid out a small part of my statements I want you to point out where the contradiction is!

[salman]

^As-Salamu 'Alaykum respected brother

it seems brother Acid misunderstood you but there's is no need for personal attacks and insults; differing or debating an issue doesn't give you the right to insult/mock other individual. Don't forget that he's your Muslim brother not a kafir who's mocking your deen. Logically speaking, attack the opponent's arguments not the individual himself.

Secondly, don't accuse your fellow Muslim brother unless you've a solid evidence to prove it. Cherry picking and speculating doens't server as a solid evidence.

[Yanal]

Originally Posted by Acid

Hi

What are you actually trying to say???? Whats the bottom line?

: That is in Urdu saying someone is a fool.

Originally Posted by Acid

You say that Zaid Hamid is CIA Agent and ask us to look at the evidence but you have provided no evidence whatsoever ! you are just "suspecting" based on a video which is entirely clear.

About why doesnt Zaid Hamid bring evidence that he is not the same as Zaid Zaman ? ah c'mon , the evidence is already here! If I tell you that you are bro of G.W.Bush then would you go on bringing legal evidences and bringing your birth certificate to prove me that you are not the bro of Bush?

The fact remains clear , that you provided no evidence but infact suspects ve
ry kiddingly. I wait for you to provide any thing better ,infact any thing at all.

Best Regards

Oh come on bro your asking evidence from a man who claims to be a prophet who's neglecting Allahs prophet and his saying that goes something like this the ummah which comes after me will get 700x more the reward for believing in me without seeing me. As that saying it obviously stats that prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last prophet. Thats my perspective on this article and your thinkings.

[Assad]

Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad

Oh come on bro your asking evidence from a man who claims to be a prophet who's neglecting Allahs prophet and his saying that goes something like this the ummah which comes after me will get 700x more the reward for believing in me without seeing me. As that saying it obviously stats that prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last prophet. Thats my perspective on this article and your thinkings.

That is quite a bold statement. It's easy to say " Oh cmon that guys is neglecting Sunnah, he deny this and he deny that" --- without any proof ? The guy under consideration is a MUSLIM and he says He is Muslim and he pray as a Muslim and he works for Muslim Ummah and you are blaming him without any proof? Did you listen to his video bro? I love the economic terrorism one where he exposed the reality of Zionists and his current affairs analysis is too good.Search him on Youtube.

If I say to someone that you are not a Muslim, You deny Allah and His Prophet SAW. What would be your answer? You will say that I am lying and you are a Muslim but than according to your logic, I shouldnt believe in that guys word because they are the one who deny Allah and His Prophet SAW.

I hope that you have read my article and I look for some genuine responses.00

Regards

[Assad]

And yea, he dont claim to be a prophet nor does he neglect any Allah SWT Prophets. The accusation is of something else, If you read.. :)

[Yanal]

Opps I didn't know what I was thinking then. Ill read it then reply inshAllah.

[Yanal]

Oh brother I misread he knew someone who claimed to be a prophet and was killed because of it. Thats horrible. If I say that my brother is the maahdi or prophet(of course he's not) then someone will kill me without letting me justify that I didn't know about this and that.