> Examining claims against Zaid Hamid

[Assad]

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[drkamran]

Originally Posted by Acid

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‎Assad I agree to most of the views of Zaid Sahib and have respect for him. Just tell me one thing why is the voice and tone from minute 7 to minute 10 is the same or at least very very similar to Zaid Hamid Sahib? I cannot find any difference between the voice of Zaid Zaman and Zaid Hamid. ‎I am surprised brother that you can't find any similarity between two voices.

‎http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/9ea006f1-fa0e-41d5-a6ea-185ec9e68bf0/?action=forceDL‎

Why does not Zaid Sahib himself openly say Yusuf Kazzab as Yusuf Kazzab. I know you are saying that, but why not Zaid Bhai himself?

Why does Zaid Sahib not admit his mistake and says that he has made Taubah after being on falsehood. If he does that it will be appreciated and increase his respect among his fans and people like myself may also become his fan.
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Secondly in this book:

‎http://www.esnips.com/doc/a0fcef00-4fe0-4dcd-800b-cb5ce8fa6207/426-427‎

it is mentioned that Zaid Zaman was a manager of Brinx company which is also a kind of security company. Did Zaid Hamid Sahib ever remained in that company before making his own company BrassTacks. ‎

I like your forum and please remember me in your prayers.

:jazakAllah:

Kamran

[Assad]

First , please note that I have moved the section here :

http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/r...fact-1457.html

Now about your question , I have replied to you on facebook which is :

the lie of working in brinx company is infact a self evident fact which can be easily verifiable from any where.. He never worked for the company and infact he participated in Jihad.. Also that will make us question that if he worked in brinx than it means we have pretty much documented info about him so why wasnt he punished along with yusuf kazzab ? Because he is not the same person!

Also , LETS ASSUME that If he was the same person but now he clearly states that he believes in finalty of Prophet Muhammad PBUH , so that sums it up , i can take it that he returned to Hidayah and God has forgived him so who are we to raise finger against him ???

But he and zaid zaman are 2 different people

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I would be glad If we discuss this issue here as its important we dont fall victim of misinformation!

[maqsad]

Zaid Hamid and Zaid Zaman are two different people. This drama about them being the same person running a sufi cult is created by Zaid Hamid himself to take people's attention off the real evidence of him being a CIA agent. The agents of Zaid Hamid are busy on the internet spreading fake stories about the sufi cult. Zaid Hamid is holding on to the solid proof to get him off the hook(for now) and at the right time Zaid Hamid's agents or Zaid Hamid himself will release this proof(maybe it is a video) to make critics of Zaid Hamid look like fools and scammers.

The goal of Zaid Hamid's operatives is to convince people to stop analysing his speeches and actions and instead to waste time looking into this nonsensical fake sufi cult story so that the real proof about Zaid Hamid being a fraud remains hidden from most people.


Now for anyone with common sense who is reading this I ask you to consider this. The sufi cult story, if it were NOT being spread by Zaid Hamid would have had proof presented right from the beginning but we see this story being dragged on without a conclusion for months and months and months. Why? If Zaid Hamid did not create this sufi lie himself then he would have immediately provided proof against it. But neither Zaid Hamid nor his operatives are providing any proof to finish it off...instead the tactic of these sneaky people is to drag this nonsense onnnn and onnnn and onnnn month after month after month. Zaid Hamid could stop this story easily but he himself lets it continue. Every day we see his operatives whining about whether this story is true or fake or who is spreading it. Agent Zaid is using this tactic in order to reap full benefits when he finally debunks it with "proof"!

Agent Hamid keeps letting this sufi cult nonsense drag on because it takes attention away from all the lies and tricks he performs on TV against Pakistan such as when he backstabbed pakistan over the Mumbai false flag attack as I explained before. Anytime now Agent Hamid will come up with video proof taking him off the hook and he will blame the CIA, Mossad or RAW for creating the whole sufi cult story. But in reality very few people will suspect he is actually working for the CIA or Mossad or whoever.

There is an investigative journalist called Abidullah Jan who runs a website called Dictatorship Watch · Putting dictatorship in the broader context of de facto colonization. Abidullah Jan wrote an article many months ago about Zaid Hamid when Zaid sahib was doing a TV show with someone called Ahmed Qureshi. Abidullah Jan presented an amazing POV arguing that Zaid Hamid was actually a CIA/ISI agent working against the people of Pakistan in some conspiracy. He claimed three videos by Zaid and Qureshi were full of lies. I looked at the videos carefully and to my shock there did seem to be truth in what Jan was saying:

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Forget about this sufi cult distraction and analyse what the guy actually says and think about the holes in his stories.

Aqalmandon ke liye siraf ishaara hi kafi hota hai, bewaqoofon ko to toofan bhi nahi badal sakta.

[Assad]

Hi

What are you actually trying to say???? Whats the bottom line?

[Assad]

You say that Zaid Hamid is CIA Agent and ask us to look at the evidence but you have provided no evidence whatsoever ! you are just "suspecting" based on a video which is entirely clear.

About why doesnt Zaid Hamid bring evidence that he is not the same as Zaid Zaman ? ah c'mon , the evidence is already here! If I tell you that you are bro of G.W.Bush then would you go on bringing legal evidences and bringing your birth certificate to prove me that you are not the bro of Bush?

The fact remains clear , that you provided no evidence but infact suspects very kiddingly. I wait for you to provide any thing better ,infact any thing at all.

Best Regards

[maqsad]

You tell me why doesn't Zaid Hamid bring a stop to this IMMEDIATELY? You know what I suspect? I believe in a couple of months we will have a video which shows the real Zaid Zaman and his face will be different from Zaid Hamid. See all this damage that Zaid Hamid is suffering is for a reason. If you were Zaid hamid and this was your #1 problem would you not fix it?

Think, if you were him and this was your main problem then would you forget about it or would you fix it so that your name was clear? Anyone would fix it but Zaid Hamid is deliberately saying he will not answer this accusation.

I repeat! He is deliberately refusing to stop this scandal! Why? Come on think why is he doing this deliberately? To divert attention! Now this is not proof but can you come up with a better explanation? I challenge you to come up with a legitimate explanation why he is acting so wierd.

[maqsad]

Originally Posted by Acid

Hi

What are you actually trying to say???? Whats the bottom line?

The bottom line is that something fishy is going on and I am trying to figure out what it is.

[Assad]

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First of all, stop playing this CIA-blaming-game. If you take this mentality then you will find every single person on earth as a CIA Agent as anyone who doesnt makes sense to you, you will say that this is a CIA agent. haa

Originally Posted by maqsad

You tell me why doesn't Zaid Hamid bring a stop to this IMMEDIATELY? You know what I suspect? I believe in a couple of months we will have a video which shows the real Zaid Zaman and his face will be different from Zaid Hamid. See all this damage that Zaid Hamid is suffering is for a reason. If you were Zaid hamid and this was your #1 problem would you not fix it?

It is clear from all his videos and he even did documentary exposing CIA plans and zionist ideologies, having said that..He is a Defence Analyst and to reply some paranoid people is not his #1 problem. He have more important matters to talk to them to bring attention of all the nation away from indian terrorism to talk small kiddish things which are going on net ( which 98% dont believe ).

And for your information he has clarified his stance on having NO LINKS with zaid zaman.There is no evidence for the craziness that Zaid Hamid is Zaid Zaman , I repeat there is NO EVIDENCE. I challange you to bring one If you have any, apart from your "thoughts" which you use as evidence ofcourse.

Originally Posted by maqsad

Think, if you were him and this was your main problem then would you forget about it or would you fix it so that your name was clear? Anyone would fix it but Zaid Hamid is deliberately saying he will not answer this accusation.

If I were him, this wouldnt have been my main problem as my accusers dont provide a shred of evidence, they just speak and nothing else and I cant stop anyone from speaking anything! Zaid Hamid has answered this on his website, If you know, that he believe in Finality of Prophet and he believes in teaching of Quran and Sunnah.. That is what consitutes an evidences but fool will keep repeating the same thing! He answered the false accusation once now there is no need to keep repeating the same thing to people like you until everyone believe! For God Sake, he has got more important stuff to do!

Originally Posted by maqsad

I repeat! He is deliberately refusing to stop this scandal! Why? Come on think why is he doing this deliberately? To divert attention! Now this is not proof but can you come up with a better explanation? I challenge you to come up with a legitimate explanation why he is acting so wierd.

lol...He is trying to divert attention eh? You want him to bring the attention of entire nation away from indian and euro terrorism to his name and proving that he is not what the lie say he is? The work he is doing for the nation is great and admirable.May Allah reward him.

Originally Posted by maqsad

I challenge you to come up with a legitimate explanation why he is acting so wierd.

Oh please dont challenge me! You win I admit! I dont want to challenge on this stupidity. What is said is clear and is fully backed up with evidence and logic and yes he is not acting weird, you need to reconsider who is acting weird.

Best Regards

[maqsad]

Originally Posted by Acid

It is clear from all his videos and he even did documentary exposing CIA plans and zionist ideologies, having said that..He is a Defence Analyst and to reply some paranoid people is not his #1 problem.

He exposed nothing new about the CIA. Everything he said about the CIA is already public knowledge. He didn't expose anything new. Only uneducated, uninformed ignorant people are unaware of what the CIA does and how it works. Zaid Hamid simply translated English documentaries and books into Urdu and that has impressed a lot of people who were too illiterate and lazy to go look for all that information by themselves before. It is these fools that he has impressed but the rest of us have known MUCH MORE THAN THIS FOR YEARS ALREADY.

Originally Posted by Acid

And for your information he has clarified his stance on having NO LINKS with zaid zaman.There is no evidence for the craziness that Zaid Hamid is Zaid Zaman , I repeat there is NO EVIDENCE. I challange you to bring one If you have any, apart from your "thoughts" which you use as evidence ofcourse.

Wow...I was the one who said that he is NOT Zaid Zaman and you are asking me to prove that he IS Zaid Zaman? Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote properly and carefully because you seem to have no clue as to what I said. I WAS ARGUING THAT ZAID HAMID AND ZAID ZAMAN WERE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

Once again, this drama about them being the same person running a sufi cult is created by Zaid Hamid himself to take people's attention off the real evidence of him being a CIA agent. The agents of Zaid Hamid are busy on the internet spreading fake stories about the sufi cult. Zaid Hamid is holding on to the solid proof to get him off the hook(for now) and at the right time Zaid Hamid's agents or Zaid Hamid himself will release this proof(maybe it is a video) to make critics of Zaid Hamid look like fools and scammers.

The goal of Zaid Hamid's operatives is to convince people to stop analysing his speeches and actions and instead to waste time looking into this nonsensical fake sufi cult story so that the real proof about Zaid Hamid being a fraud remains hidden from most people.

Now what is the dirty business Zaid Hamid is trying to distract from? How he handled the Mumbai blasts! He betrayed Pakistan! Instead of proving that RAW conducted the Mumbai false flag attack Zaid Hamid just made pakistanis look like fools by making up nonsense like "that guy has a hindu face". At the same time he did not produce anything to help Pakistan. Nothing unique. Nothing.

Originally Posted by Acid

Zaid Hamid has answered this on his website, If you know, that he believe in Finality of Prophet and he believes in teaching of Quran and Sunnah.. That is what consitutes an evidences but fool will keep repeating the same thing! He answered the false accusation once now there is no need to keep repeating the same thing to people like you until everyone believe! For God Sake, he has got more important stuff to do!

I never accused him of any of this. In fact I think he spread these lies himself as a distraction. I told you that already.

Originally Posted by Acid

lol...He is trying to divert attention eh? You want him to bring the attention of entire nation away from indian and euro terrorism to his name and proving that he is not what the lie say he is? The work he is doing for the nation is great and admirable.May Allah reward him.

He diverted attention to that nonsensical sufi cult story. Now everyone is focused on that story but they are ignoring what he did on TV regarding the Mumbai attacks! That was his plan all along. Look at his actions.