Questions to Bamboozle Christians! (Ones I Made Up)

sUbMiT_2_uR_CREATOR__ · 07-29-2008, 11:24 AM

Assalamu 'Alaykum WB,

This is something I've been working on lately...in my beginnings of a long term (InshAllah) of deconstructing Christianity.

InshAllah these questions will come in handy while debating or just talking to the average Christian, or any other Christian.

Feel free to add to the questions & share and spread!

Wassalam

* What is the trinity really?
* Can one truly comprehend the concept (does it actually make sense to any living being)?
* How many Christians actually understand it, or even try to?
* Why would God link Salvation with a concept which is so confusing??
God is Perfect in all spheres & attributes: everything about the All-Mighty is Precise & Seamless: for eg. Look at His Tremendous Creation, do you see any rifts in any single one of His incredible variety of Creations? Nothing about God is imperfect? therefore why would His Path to Salvation be so imperfect, flawed & confusing?? * Why is there no clear and explicit mention in the Bible about the trinity? (this is what is supposed to result in one?s salvation yet there is hardly anything about it!)

* Where did the concept of Jesus?s divinity arise from? Nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned where Jesus says ?Worship Me? or ?I am God?. Nowhere!
On the contrary, there are numerous clear and direct texts in which Jesus denies equality with God or possessing any of God?s divine attributes (see for example John 8: 28-29, 14: 10, 24. 28. 31. Mk. 13: 32, 10: 18).

* What do you ACTUALLY mean by Jesus being the ?son? of God? Begetting is an act of the lower animal function of sex and God All-Mighty is above such animalistic behaviour.
And consider this, when a human has a child, what is the result? A baby human yes? When a monkey has a child, it is a baby monkey yes? When a giraffe has a child, it is a baby giraffe yes? So when GOD All-Mighty has a child, what are you saying, this child is a ?baby god?? So is Jesus in reality a baby-God? So in that case you are worshipping two gods!

* If you claim Jesus is the ?son? of God, then how exactly did God beget His son? Did He have a wife? What makes Jesus a ?son? while all else to be merely ?creation?. Surely there must have been something special about Jesus?s creation. And if the argument is that Jesus was born miraculously then in that case Adam should be a greater son of God!

* You say Jesus is the son of God, then you continue by saying Jesus is also the son of Mary. Now God and Mary were not married (the very thought of it is utterly repulsive), so then how do you make out this relationship of yours? Jesus is the son of both a man and a woman who aren?t even married?! Are you saying God fornicated (!!!???) What disgusting games you are trying to play!

* You say Jesus was born from Mary, so you are saying ?god? was carried inside Mary?s womb for 9 months, and so Mary had to be careful so as not to hurt ?god? while ?he? was in her womb? And then you assert ?god? out came from the private part of Mary?
Glory be to God All-Mighty from what you associate to Him!!

* And do you really believe ?god? use to cry at night, and used to be comforted by his mother, use to be fed, and his bottom used to be cleaned by his mother?

* Furthermore If Jesus was the son of God, and if he had the chance to get married and have children, would then his children be the ?grandchildren? of God?

* Christians claim "GOD lost His only son to save us" - to whom did God lose His only son if He owns this whole universe, & if to Him belong the Mighty Dominion of the Heavens & the Earth?

* You assert "God sacrificed His only son to save us".
People sacrifice things they have, to get something they don?t have or perhaps to earn someone else?s pleasure. What could God ALL-MIGHTY possibly not possess & who would HE have to please?

Also a real sacrifice is when you can?t get back what you have offered, so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover the same offering (according to the Christians? terminology)?

The plain truth is actually quite lucidly simple: in the Holy Qur?an Allah (this is the Arabic term used to refer to God), Lord of the heavens & the earth, refutes & rejects this slander associated with Him:

?He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything. Such is Allah, your Lord! There is no God save Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him.? (Ch 6: V101)

?And They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
Indeed you have put forth a terrible evil thing! Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins,
That they ascribe a son to the Most Gracious (All?h). But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.?
(Ch 19: V88-92)

* Furthermore you say Jesus was divine, but you would also have to admit this ?god? also ate food, drank water, and went to the toilet, urinated, slept and also died?any sane person could safely conclude he was simply a human being? what is it that makes Jesus (peace be upon him) ?divine??

* You claim the one who died on the cross was God (Jesus), so was ?God? dead for three days? It would be a pleasure to know how a ?God? can die. If the Giver of Life Himself is dead, who else can then bring Him back to life?

* How many Gods were there during the three days when Jesus died? Since they are co-equal what effect did his absence have on the universe (does it mean 33.33% of the work was not being attended to)?

* If a ?god? dies because the actions of his people who kill him, then what kind of god is this? If he his displeased with what they did to him, then nonetheless their power has overwhelmed the power of this ?god?

* If the All-Merciful and Loving God wanted to forgive, what prevents Him from doing so in a direct, simple and straightforward manner? Why must the ?requirement of justice? be satisfied by grave injustice: the suffering and agony of the innocent Jesus?
Would this gross injustice, if it were true, be consistent with the quality of Divine Love? Let is take a simple example: how appropriate is it for a Judge, who instead of sentencing a criminal or forgiving him (which is within his authority) instead orders the execution of his ?only? son so that the criminal will go free, and appreciate how much the Judge loves him?

God says in His Final Revelation, the Majestic Qur?an:

?He [Jesus] was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father).? (Ch 43: V59)

* When Jesus was resurrected (according to Christian belief) who brought him back to life? Jesus himself or All-Mighty God? God, yes? Then ask yourself who is more deserving of worship [complete and total worship]

* The Bible says that all Israel is saved although they don?t believe in Jesus. Doesn?t this contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus?

* According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to Hell. So even infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized since they are born with an inherited original sin. Doesn?t this contradict the definition of justice? Would God punish people for sins they never committed?!

* Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33)

Assad · 07-29-2008, 11:49 AM

Taken from http://www.muslim-responses.com ( 6o Questions for Christians )

JazakAllah

IbnAbdulHakim · 07-30-2008, 07:55 AM

i wanna ask them:

* why dont you emulate your Saviour? avoid pork/prostrate on the floor etc

Pk_#2 · 08-01-2008, 08:22 AM

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

JazakAllah khair, u2.

Umm Sufyaan · 08-03-2008, 02:06 AM

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Questions to Bamboozle Christians!

what does 1+1+1=?

ive asked that before, and got no proper answer. that didnt suprise me.:rolleyes:

Pk_#2 · 08-03-2008, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umm Sufyan

what does 1+1+1=?

ive asked that before, and got no proper answer. that didnt suprise me.:rolleyes:

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

I don't get it.

Assad · 08-03-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da'watul-Allah

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

I don't get it.

:

She is just talking about the trinity .

They say Gods 3 in 1. However 3 times 1 always addup to 3 not one!

salman · 08-03-2008, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umm Sufyan

what does 1+1+1=?

ive asked that before, and got no proper answer. that didnt suprise me.:rolleyes:

Wa'alaykum As-Salam
I don't know what kind of answers you got but they justify 1+1+1 = 1 by saying that we are not applying addition rule but boolean algebra in which the sign "+" stands for "OR". So the equation becomes the father Or the son or the holy spirit = either one of them. This is completely wrong for couple of reasons:
1) The tirinity isn't "OR" function but "AND" function since it says the father and the son and the holy spirity. How can it be trinity if it is only one of them holds the condition which we apply on him.
2) the number 1 in boolean algebra isn't the actual number 1. In boolean algebra 1 represnts true. It tells whether something holds a certain condition or not. For example, if I say are the three members of trinity different people, so the equation will become
the father the son the holy spirit
1 . 1 . 1 = 1
The dot denotes "AND" in boolean algebra. If two of three members were same then it will be 0.0.1 = 0.

anyway, I attend to write a complete article on this sometime later on, insha'Allah.

Assad · 08-03-2008, 06:01 PM

^wow! MashAllah , You you've got great grip at the concepts!

Umm Sufyaan · 08-04-2008, 06:57 AM

jazakallahu khair @islamiclife.

how do you respond when they say that the trinity is like an orange: i.e you have the peel, the orange itself and the skin...those three parts make the one orange. :confused:

07-29-2008, 11:24 AM	#1
sUbMiT_2_uR_CREATOR__ Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Questions to Bamboozle Christians! (Ones I Made Up) Assalamu 'Alaykum WB, This is something I've been working on lately...in my beginnings of a long term (InshAllah) of deconstructing Christianity. InshAllah these questions will come in handy while debating or just talking to the average Christian, or any other Christian. Feel free to add to the questions & share and spread! Wassalam * What is the trinity really? * Can one truly comprehend the concept (does it actually make sense to any living being)? * How many Christians actually understand it, or even try to? * Why would God link Salvation with a concept which is so confusing?? God is Perfect in all spheres & attributes: everything about the All-Mighty is Precise & Seamless: for eg. Look at His Tremendous Creation, do you see any rifts in any single one of His incredible variety of Creations? Nothing about God is imperfect? therefore why would His Path to Salvation be so imperfect, flawed & confusing?? * Why is there no clear and explicit mention in the Bible about the trinity? (this is what is supposed to result in one?s salvation yet there is hardly anything about it!) * Where did the concept of Jesus?s divinity arise from? Nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned where Jesus says ?Worship Me? or ?I am God?. Nowhere! On the contrary, there are numerous clear and direct texts in which Jesus denies equality with God or possessing any of God?s divine attributes (see for example John 8: 28-29, 14: 10, 24. 28. 31. Mk. 13: 32, 10: 18). * What do you ACTUALLY mean by Jesus being the ?son? of God? Begetting is an act of the lower animal function of sex and God All-Mighty is above such animalistic behaviour. And consider this, when a human has a child, what is the result? A baby human yes? When a monkey has a child, it is a baby monkey yes? When a giraffe has a child, it is a baby giraffe yes? So when GOD All-Mighty has a child, what are you saying, this child is a ?baby god?? So is Jesus in reality a baby-God? So in that case you are worshipping two gods! * If you claim Jesus is the ?son? of God, then how exactly did God beget His son? Did He have a wife? What makes Jesus a ?son? while all else to be merely ?creation?. Surely there must have been something special about Jesus?s creation. And if the argument is that Jesus was born miraculously then in that case Adam should be a greater son of God! * You say Jesus is the son of God, then you continue by saying Jesus is also the son of Mary. Now God and Mary were not married (the very thought of it is utterly repulsive), so then how do you make out this relationship of yours? Jesus is the son of both a man and a woman who aren?t even married?! Are you saying God fornicated (!!!???) What disgusting games you are trying to play! * You say Jesus was born from Mary, so you are saying ?god? was carried inside Mary?s womb for 9 months, and so Mary had to be careful so as not to hurt ?god? while ?he? was in her womb? And then you assert ?god? out came from the private part of Mary? Glory be to God All-Mighty from what you associate to Him!! * And do you really believe ?god? use to cry at night, and used to be comforted by his mother, use to be fed, and his bottom used to be cleaned by his mother? * Furthermore If Jesus was the son of God, and if he had the chance to get married and have children, would then his children be the ?grandchildren? of God? * Christians claim "GOD lost His only son to save us" - to whom did God lose His only son if He owns this whole universe, & if to Him belong the Mighty Dominion of the Heavens & the Earth? * You assert "God sacrificed His only son to save us". People sacrifice things they have, to get something they don?t have or perhaps to earn someone else?s pleasure. What could God ALL-MIGHTY possibly not possess & who would HE have to please? Also a real sacrifice is when you can?t get back what you have offered, so what would be the big deal about such a sacrifice if God could recover the same offering (according to the Christians? terminology)? The plain truth is actually quite lucidly simple: in the Holy Qur?an Allah (this is the Arabic term used to refer to God), Lord of the heavens & the earth, refutes & rejects this slander associated with Him: ?He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything. Such is Allah, your Lord! There is no God save Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him.? (Ch 6: V101) ?And They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed you have put forth a terrible evil thing! Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins, That they ascribe a son to the Most Gracious (All?h). But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.? (Ch 19: V88-92) * Furthermore you say Jesus was divine, but you would also have to admit this ?god? also ate food, drank water, and went to the toilet, urinated, slept and also died?any sane person could safely conclude he was simply a human being? what is it that makes Jesus (peace be upon him) ?divine?? * You claim the one who died on the cross was God (Jesus), so was ?God? dead for three days? It would be a pleasure to know how a ?God? can die. If the Giver of Life Himself is dead, who else can then bring Him back to life? * How many Gods were there during the three days when Jesus died? Since they are co-equal what effect did his absence have on the universe (does it mean 33.33% of the work was not being attended to)? * If a ?god? dies because the actions of his people who kill him, then what kind of god is this? If he his displeased with what they did to him, then nonetheless their power has overwhelmed the power of this ?god? * If the All-Merciful and Loving God wanted to forgive, what prevents Him from doing so in a direct, simple and straightforward manner? Why must the ?requirement of justice? be satisfied by grave injustice: the suffering and agony of the innocent Jesus? Would this gross injustice, if it were true, be consistent with the quality of Divine Love? Let is take a simple example: how appropriate is it for a Judge, who instead of sentencing a criminal or forgiving him (which is within his authority) instead orders the execution of his ?only? son so that the criminal will go free, and appreciate how much the Judge loves him? God says in His Final Revelation, the Majestic Qur?an: ?He [Jesus] was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father).? (Ch 43: V59) * When Jesus was resurrected (according to Christian belief) who brought him back to life? Jesus himself or All-Mighty God? God, yes? Then ask yourself who is more deserving of worship [complete and total worship] * The Bible says that all Israel is saved although they don?t believe in Jesus. Doesn?t this contradict the claim in the Bible that the only way to heaven is through Jesus? * According to Christians, those who have not been baptized will go to Hell. So even infants and babies go to Hell if not baptized since they are born with an inherited original sin. Doesn?t this contradict the definition of justice? Would God punish people for sins they never committed?! * Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33)

07-30-2008, 07:55 AM	#3
IbnAbdulHakim Full Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 722 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	i wanna ask them: * why dont you emulate your Saviour? avoid pork/prostrate on the floor etc __________________ Shaqiq bin `Abdullah reported: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) did not consider the abandonment of any action as disbelief except neglecting Salat. [At-Tirmidhi]. Commentary: The opinion of the Companions of the Prophet (PBUH) was based on the information contained in the Ahadith which have been mentioned above. They did not take the Ahadith which interpreted the leaving of Salat as Kufr mere scolding or reproof. They considered slackness and negligence in Salat as Kufr and apostasy and regarded Salat a symbol of Islam.

08-01-2008, 08:22 AM	#4
Pk_#2 Hooked On Ribena Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 303 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, JazakAllah khair, u2. __________________ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا !أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ "O you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah.." (Surat As-Saff)

08-03-2008, 06:01 PM	#9
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08-04-2008, 06:57 AM	#10
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