> Question About Jesus's Death on the Cross

[Assad]

Again you have answered none of my issues but you are one good hilarious folk. I will get back to you after the debate which I am having with another Christian .

Regards

[Parture]

Are you able to show I have not answered something? Please show it, as the Bible says, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thess. 5.21)

God loves you. His Son died for you, resurrected and raised to give you life. Why did He do this? So that you could have the Holy Spirit indwelling your spirit instead of the evil spirit.

[salman]

just a quick reminder guys, please avoid double posting unless your response is too long; just edit your previous post and add your second response, thank you.

[Assad]

]Are you able to show I have not answered something? Please show it, as the Bible says, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thess. 5.21)

Yes indeed we should proove all things , you havent answer my post regarding the Isaiah which supports the view that Jesus didnt got curcified.

No disciple witnessed Jesus death , they all fled that night . The Non - Christians sources you mentioned have been proved worthless. They are just Christians story aboard. They doesnt prove anything

God loves you. His Son died for you, resurrected and raised to give you life. Why did He do this? So that you could have the Holy Spirit indwelling your spirit instead of the evil spirit.

Indeed God loves me , He is free from all which you association to Him. He gave me life and to Him would be Our Final Return.

Why did He create you ? So that you Worship Him Only. So repent and Allah is The Most Merciful The Most Compassionate and your sins will be forgiven .

[Assad]

Regarding the Pauls Character : Read this - Pauls Character - An Imposter .

[Parture]

Well I am repeating myself now which you are avoiding. The Bible says John, Jesus' mother and other women witnessed His death on the cross and many other people.

Since you couldn't show otherwise or counter what the Bible says about it, aren't you being disingenuous with mindless self-declarations?

The problem with Islam is it declares stuff but never backs it up. I think this is a big problem for Islam.

I don't want a faith where it just declares stuff that goes counter to the eyewitness documented accounts.

I am not sure how you resolve this in your mind other than to shut your mind down.

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Originally Posted by Acid

Why did He create you ? Allah is The Most Merciful The Most Compassionate and your sins will be forgiven .

I don't consider Allah of the Koran merciful, because it says to kill anyone who is not Islamic by compulsion and it is said over 120 times.

God created me out of His glory to have fellowship with those who love Him and accept what His Son did on the cross to atone for our sins, because there is no other way which one can be saved and come to the Father except by way of the Son.

Amen.

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Originally Posted by Acid

Regarding the Pauls Character : Read this - Pauls Character - An Imposter .

More than anything else, what defines Christianity is the idea that Jesus came to atone for the sins of humankind because the first man's sin tainted the human race. If Jesus was God, then surely we should have learned that from him-but we don't. He said he expected to die, but that was because he knew he had enemies. A man who wanted to die for a cause would not call his accuser a betrayer. And certainly, his enemies didn't crucify him to atone for human sin.

The first paragraph is wrong. When you realize this by the proof in this video below, we can move onto the next error in that post about Paul. Remember, almost all skeptical scholars believe Paul was being genuine when he said he saw Jesus resurrected and was with the Apostles who said the same, that they touched Him, walked with Him, ate with Him and spoke with Him in His resurrected state. The reason why most skeptical scholars believe Paul was being genuine is because he wrote several episltes of the New Testament and set up many churches; many people knew him, so he must have believed at least something he said, at least the earliest in his writings, Gal. 1 & 2, 1 Cor. 15.

Did Jesus say He was God? Of course He did in many different ways. Watch this short video at the top left corner.

One the worse sins the Bible calls "bearing false witness".

[Assad]

Bible no where shows that Jesus says that He is god. the video only contain idiotic references like I AM and this is taken to be God by Christians. You demand prove on everything which is correct and good but you simply stated in your post "...The First paragraph is wrong" , what evidence do you give? Just because your skeptical believe that he was being truthful doesnt mean he is truthful. This paragraph shows the hypocrisy of Paul for which you dont have a cheek to answer , turn your other cheek please :)

paul was being genuine is because he wrote several episltes of the New Testament and set up many churches; many people knew him, so he must have believed at least something he said, at least the earliest in his writings, Gal. 1 & 2, 1 Cor. 15.

Many people believe in hindu pundits too who say that there are 2 million God and there is also a monkey God who likes ladies and they have the evidence in the form of a book so according to your logic even hindus are right and they have evidence and people believe and there are 2 million Gods.

You have also repeatedly said that Allah is not merciful and have given 120 statements , thats according to your bible is false witness. Your bibical God has committed rape , murder of innocent ladies and kids, have made prophets naked made them have insect with daugthers and also committed sexual intercourse with the bibical version of Mary the mother of bibical version of Jesus.

Well I am repeating myself now which you are avoiding. The Bible says John, Jesus' mother and other women witnessed His death on the cross and many other people.
So stop smoking please , I understand that you are trying to become bravo and telling your friend on your stupid forum " Look ! i have been doing Gods work on muslims forum " hoo hoo.

None witnessed the death of biblical jesus . They all fled - I have written about this in previous post.

Regards

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Originally Posted by Acid

Bible no where shows that Jesus says that He is god. the video only contain idiotic references like I AM and this is taken to be God by Christians.

Jesus said "I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that THAT I AM, you will die in your sins". (John 8.24)

Why would Jesus think a person would die in their sins if they didn't believe He is the I AM?

If Jesus is not saying He is God then what is He saying?

You know the Church from the first Apostles and since then believed Jesus was saying He is God.

Why would the crowd be upset and try to kill Him for the claim He is was making? (v.59)

God of the Old Testament said to Moses, I AM that I AM, the great I AM. How much clearer need God be to convince you?

Only God can forgive sins, not just a prophet or mere man. Jesus was forgiving men's sins. Jesus raised the dead. Only God can raise the dead.

When Jesus saw their faith, he said "friend, your sins are forgiven" (Luke 5.20)

There is really only 3 possibilities: either Jesus was a liar, delusional or God. Now since you claim Jesus was raised by God, would God raise a liar or a lunatic? No. So, He must be God.

The Pharisees realized what Jesus was doing and they took offense. "The Pharisees began thinking, 'Who is this man who speaks blasphemy?' Only God can forgive sins." (Luke 5.21)

It's easy to see Jesus was making the claim He is God, in the flesh. You must start from this point if you are going to be honest about our discussion and not shut your mind down to what the Bible is clearly saying; whether you agree or not, the Bible is clear what it is saying.

May you see that Christians see your response and consider your approach unethical, because your approach begins with shutting your mind down to the fact you clearly misread the Bible. You are not being a very good disciple of your non-Christian faith if you can't even defend it.

What did His disciples do? "They worshipped Him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God'." (Matt. 14.32) What did Jesus do? He accepted their worship of Him. If Jesus is just a man, it is a sin to accept other peoples' worship, so here again, He is claiming He is God.

"And when Thomas put his hands on Jesus' side, he said, 'My Lord and my God'." Jesus accepted his worship and did not rebuke him for calling Him God.

These are the experiences of those who were with Jesus. They were eyewitness accounts.

How about praying to God and asking Him if Jesus is saying He is God.