> Muslim Response Jesus and consumption of pork

[Assad]

I will now sum up my arguments in response to your 'arguments' (emphasised).

Is there a prohibition on consumption of pork meat in Bible ?

Yes there is. Bible consists of OT and NT. In OT the prohibition is found in Leviticus 11:7-8.

Did Jesus outlaw this ruling ?

No he didnt. No where did Jesus go against this law. He infact was a good Jew and followed the Jewish law in His life and never ate pork meat.

Christians are supposed to follow the OT Law as i quoted verses in my posts in this thread but there were no answers provided but just request to read it in context , which even If we read in context tells us the samething that Christians should follow OT Laws.

Another argument presented was that what goes inside a man does not make him unclean. I have also provided comprehensive rebuttal to that in my earlier post but those posts went unanswered, totally ignored.

Jesus allowing Demons into pigs.

If Jesus is God according to Bible, than how can a God permit a demon to go and reside in a pig? It is clear that Jesus considered them evil and that they are not permitted for consumption that is why they allowed the devil to go in them.


Jesus about Pigs

I will repeat it here since it as usual went unanswered and ignored

The Gospels imply that eating pork is forbidden, since Jesus murdered over 2,000 pigs by drowning them in the sea, and he will destroy the pigs on his Second Coming.

And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:32, Mark 5:13)


The reason Jews were prohibited swine meat in OT:

Jews were prohibited eating of swine meat because its unclean spiritually and hygenically. It is not that God wanted Jews to stay away from pagan SYMBOLOGY. If God wanted that so he would have told Jews however the restriction is specifically for the consumption of meat.

Did Disciples after Jesus observe commandments related to unclean and clean food?

Yes, refer to Act 15:29. It points out that disciples still obsereved prohibition and hence the argument that GOD MADE ALL FOOD CLEAN is invalid.

Read this, Assad. Chew on it, digest it:

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

If you clean the spirit, the body will also be clean...even if you eat pork chops or rabbit stew.

Thank you. I read it. I agree that our soul shall be clean and it can only remain clean if we hold fast to the commandments of God like not consuming the pork meat and obey Him in every matter.

Also note that you said 'if you clean spirit the body will also beclean even if you eat pork chops'' . - That means that Pope , being the highest figure in Christiandom today , can eat raw snakes and still there will be no effect on his spirit and body. Ah, I'm luvin it.


May Allah guide you to truth.

[FutureAndAHope]

Well I believe that God gave me the answer to this question one day when I was speaking to a Muslim on this issue.

One day I was witnessing to a Muslim and he asked me why we ate pork. I used the verse out of the bible which says "It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of the mouth". After some general discussion I finished for the night. I asked God to give me a verse from the bible to encourage me. I opened the bible at random and selected a random verse. It opened to the exact same verse that I had used with the Muslim. The one about food not defiling. So I knew that God was approving of what I had been talking about.
The verese was "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him "unclean.'"- Mat 15:11

From this experience I believe God does not mind what we eat. Additionally:

Rom 14:5-6 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

If a person does not consider eating meat to be a sin, but rather gives thanks too God it is not a sin to him.

[Assad]

FutureandHope,

All your post content has been discussed above in this thread but you chose to ignore than and make an irrelevant post just for the same of it and hence deserves no reply.

[Amat Allah]

listen to this Christian brother, if you don`t wana listen to Muslims and considers their answers so insulting and they do nothing but troubling you and say things about the bible which are not true...then with all my respect here you are:

YouTube - Bible & Qur'an Say: DO NOT EAT PORK

YouTube - Bible & Qur'an Say: DO NOT EAT PORK

Both the Bible and Qur'an Prohibit the eating of pork. Muslims are aware of this prohibition and observe it strictly. However, most readers of the Bible say they do not know where they can find this in the Bible.

In the book of Leviticus, Chapter 11, v.7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: ' You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you'. This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14;7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork. Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say that they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul said this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations.

He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard from Jesus. In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: ' Do not think that I have come to abolish the law...' Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandments.

One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork. This is why the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple, can say:' I have never eaten anything impure or unclean' (Acts of the Apostles, ch.10, v.14). Five chapters later in the Acts of the Apostles, 15:29, we find that the original disciples still differentiate between clean and unclean foods. and this time Paul is in agreement with them. Six chapters later, in ch.21, v.25, their decision to impose food regulations on believers is mentioned without regret, and this time Paul is challenged to prove that he is in agreement with them; and he demonstrated his full agreement with diem.

What remains then, is that Jesus, on whom be peace, upheld the prohibition against pork. His disciples also upheld it, and so must ail his followers. Those who fail to uphold it need to be informed and reminded of this rule from God. This is one reason why God sent His final messenger, on whom be peace. God says:

" O people of the Scripture! Now has Our Messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which you used to hide in the Scripture and forgiving much. Now has come unto you light from Allah and a plain Scripture" (The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an 5:15).


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