> Did the Injeel (Gospel) revealed to Jesus - exist until the time of Muhammad (pbuh)?

[Qatada]

Asalamu alaikum wr wb.

Did the Injeel (Gospel) - revealed to Jesus - exist until the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

The majority of Christians had started believing in the trinity - because of the influence of the Byzantine Romans mixing the true religion revealed to Jesus with their polytheistic faith - after Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) had been raised up by Allah.

However, there was a hidden group which remained upon the true religion of worshiping Allah alone, and these were the true followers of Jesus (peace be upon him.)

This is proven through the life of the famous companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - Salman Al-Farsi. He was born as a Persian fire worshiper, but left his homeland and went to Syria to search for the true religion. These bishops who were true pious men, on the true path - taught him the religion from the Injeel which was revealed to Jesus. This is how they Prophecised the coming of Allah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

After his death, Salman attached himself to various Christian religious figures, in Mosul, Nisibis and elsewhere.

The last one had told him about the appearance of a Prophet in the land of the Arabs who would have a reputation for strict honesty, one who would accept a gift but would never consume charity (sadaqah) for himself. Salman continues his story.)

Ibn Sa'd, al Tabaqat-ul-Kabir. Vol. 4:1, p.58. [translated by; Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1912] & also Musnad Ahmad, no. 23737.

Salmaan Al-Farsi (the Persian)

This shows that the Injeel (Gospel) revealed to Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) from Allah - was preserved uptill the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and was not needed after Allah's final Messenger. Since the final message would abrogate all the previous revelations.

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all... (Qur'an 7: 158)

Therefore, the last person to know the Injeel was probably Salman Al-Farsi - who became Muslim, and believed in Allah's Messengers'.

If someone was to claim that Salman was a liar, then they should know that Allah would have revealed this to His Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him.) And Salman was a sincere man, so Allah guided him to be the companion of the greatest man to ever walk the earth.

And Allah knows best.

[Aayah]

Asalam Alykom Wa rahmat Allah...

We as Muslims believe that the current bible is fabricated by men hands after the death of Jesus peace be upon him.

I want to know about the true Bible before men hands touch it which we believe in as a word of God.
Was it documented in the life of Jesus? or it was just labial undocumented revelations that Jesus told his people about?

[Qatada]

asalam alykum

Some say it wasnt written.

Some say it was by his companions, but they were burnt, and many companions of jesus were killed and tortured for speaking the undistorted truth.

Some companions went into hiding and might have passed the knowledge to their students secretly, with the last student being Salman al Farsi, the companion of prophet Muhammad. Find out his journey by reading his biography.

[Aayah]

Originally Posted by Qatada

asalam alykum
Some say it was by his companions, but they were burnt, and many companions of jesus were killed and tortured for speaking the undistorted truth.

Some companions went into hiding and might have passed the knowledge to their students secretly

This is what I read somewhere in islamqa.com, I wanted to make sure and get more details about that.


Was Salman Al Farisi his last student? that's interesting, I will look for his biography inshaAllah.

jzak Allah khair

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

as-Salaamu 'Alaykum.

Is there any Islamic Evidence for any of that though? I mean, whether it was written or not, or is it mere speculation?

Note: I don't think it should be called Bible when we speak about what Eesa, alayhsi salam, could have had, because Bible has so many connotations.

Br.al-Habeshi

[Aayah]

^ what do you mean brother by so many connotations?

[Al Habeshi]

Originally Posted by Aayah

^ what do you mean brother by so many connotations?

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

When one says Bible, it makes the person assume that the Muslims believed in the New Testament and Old Testament and that these books changed through time to what we have now. So that if we go back enough the New Testament and the Old Testament (i.e. the Bible) was once God's word.

I was going to edit my post because I just found this:

But there is nothing in Islam to tell us whether this Gospel was written and compiled at the time of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) or who wrote it, or who preserved it and disseminated it, or whether the Messiah taught it to the people orally or whether the disciples transmitted it and who believed in it, or whether some of it was written down and some was not. These are questions that we cannot answer for certain nowadays, rather some researchers deny that there was even a true Gospel that was compiled in the form of a book; rather it was just words that were transmitted.

Fatwa: Does the Gospel that was written in Aramaic exist today?

Br.al-Habeshi

[Aayah]

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

When one says Bible, it makes the person assume that the Muslims believed in the New Testament and Old Testament and that these books changed through time to what we have now. So that if we go back enough the New Testament and the Old Testament (i.e. the Bible) was once God's word.

So, when we are talking about "Bible" in Jesus time, we mean the new testament, right?
because the old testament was revealed in the time of Moses Peace Be Upon Him...plz correct me if I am wrong "I am still a beginner learner"

then what about the old testament? was it documented? or it reached the people in Jesus time labial narrations?

check this out:

With regard to the Christians, there is no dispute among them or anyone else that only one hundred and twenty men believed in the Messiah during his lifetime… and all of those who believed in him concealed themselves and were afraid during his lifetime and afterwards; they called people to his religion in secret and none of them disclosed himself or practised his religion openly, because any of them who was caught was executed.

They continued in this manner, not showing themselves at all, and they had no place where they were safe for three hundred years after the Messiah was taken up into heaven.

During this time, the Gospel that had been revealed from Allaah disappeared, apart from a few verses which Allaah preserved as proof against them and as a rebuke to them, as we have mentioned. Then when the Emperor Constantine became a Christian, then the Christians prevailed and started to practise their religion openly and assemble in safety.

The Gospels that are extant nowadays were written after the time of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) and have been tampered with a great deal

Can that show us that they kept the true bible in a certain way (labial, or written) but they were afraid to show it or show themselves?

Allah Knows the Best..

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum

Salmaan Al-Farsi (the Persian)

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

Wa 'Alaykum Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh.

I have some reservations, here they are:

1.How does the incident of Salmaan, RadiyaAllahu anhu, show that the whole Injeel was preserved? Maybe parts were preserved, this is possible, either through writing or orally passed down.

2.How does one know that there was a group which were upon the true religion of Jesus, alayhis salam?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm just saying that we need to be shown its right.

Br.al-Habeshi