> Who is God and Who is Jesus

[Assad]

Christians quote many verses alluding that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God. This post will prove Jesus (peace be upon him) is not a God and whoever than says that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God is speaking a lie about God Almighty.

In Bible , James ; Chapter 1 Verse 13 we read:

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

This tells us that God does not tempt and cannot be tempted by evil/for evil.

In Matthew 4:1 we read:

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Here we see that Jesus was tempted. So according to Bible :



- God cannot be tempted (James 1:13)

- Jesus was tempted by the devil to do evil stuff! (Matthew 4:1)


Therefore Is Jesus God ?

Think...


(Matthew 4:1)......(James 1:13)........(Matthew 4:1)...(Matthew 4:1)......(James 1:13)...(James 1:13).......


Jesus tempted ?.........God tempted by devil?.........God is tempted by devil.............God says he cant be tempted.............but Jesus is tempted.....



God.....No God....God......No God........ God .....No God



NO ! Jesus was tempted and therefore he is Not GOD!


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Further in Hebrews chapter 4 verse 15 we read:

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

This says that Jesus was tempted like any other human being (Note: It is not relevant to us If Jesus was sinless or not, that is discussed in other threads)

Now can you imagine Jesus or supposedly God having temptations and devilish thoughts like raping a a woman, murdering children and robbing people and deceiving other guys... Could God be tempted to all this ? Ofcourse He cannot be!

Coming to Matthew 4:8

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them

Now we see here that Devil picks up the god Jesus and take him around and puts him on the mountain and show him the kingdom and its glory. Can devil takes God all around like a potato sack and put him to all the places around .. on mountains and temples.. ? The God who is The Creator of heaven and earth and all its glory was taken by the devil and than saw this earth and his glory ? In other words devil seems to know more than Jesus! What kind of God are Christians worshipping!!

Clearly Jesus is not God!

Who really is Jesus?

Let The Father of Jesus answer this question:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

(Noble Quran سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

Who really is the God ? We get this answer from The Book of God* itself:

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
And there is none like unto Him.


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* The Book of God = Noble Quran
All reference from Bible are taken from KJ version.

[salman]

Wa'alaykum As-Salam

Jazak Allah khayr bro, this is nicely done. funny thing is that they believe their "god" was tempted by Satan, who is the creation of God.

[Aayah]

jazak Allah Khair, good post

Remind me of another verse I read in the bible prove that Jesus is not God and not even said that he is,

54 Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God
[John 8:54]

[Timothy]

Assad, have you done any research to find the typical Christian response to your allegation? I think you'll find plenty of Christians are aware of (and are able to reconcile) your "contradiction".

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

as-Salaamu Alaykum

The only replies which have come (as far as my experience) are baseless and contradict the apparent statements and sayings.

If people want to start off believing what they believe and then try defend it then can one claim to be able to openly discuss matters, even if it leads the person to reject the most obvious and clear understanding.

Br.al-Habeshi

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


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[MustafaMc]

Originally Posted by salman

funny thing is that they believe their "god" was tempted by Satan, who is the creation of God.

Yes, I agree and I question in what way can God (if Jesus was God incarnate) be tempted to worship Satan with a reward of "all the kingdoms of the world" for doing so? As the Creator, does not God already "own the world" to do with as He pleases?

Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to him, "All these things I will give you, if you fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.' " Matthew 4:8-10

Does not Jesus' answer agree whole heartedly with what we would expect him to reply as a Prophet and Messenger of Allah? Is his reply (underlined) different from, "La ilaha Il'Allah"?

Jesus was supposedly tempted to worship Satan, but he basically replied, "No, I will worship and serve only God, Who is my Lord." It makes absolutely no sense for the meaning to be, "No, I will worship and serve only God, Who is Myself." Does this point not illustrate that Jesus and God are two distinct and separate entities?

[Al Habeshi]

Originally Posted by Qatada

asalaam alaikum


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Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

Wa Alaykum Salaam,

Yesssssssss, what's up?

Br.al-Habeshi

[Dr. Ejaz]

AN EXPLANATION OF WHO JESUS REALLY WAS

GOD, angels, and demons are "spirit beings".
Spirit beings are able to go anywhere ... while not being seen by humans.
They are able to enter humans and "take up residence" there.
GOD's angels are fully capable of doing this, but I believe they never do.
Satan's angels (evil spirits, demons) have been doing it for years.

People call Jesus "the GOD-man", which hints that He was part GOD and part man.

The GOD part of Jesus was a spirit being who came down from heaven,
and took up residence inside of a baby who was given the name of "Jesus".

That’s why people say:
JESUS was NOT "fully" a man … and … JESUS was NOT “fully” GOD.
If GOD had been living inside of you for 33 years,
could you say that you were just another human being?

When Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28),
He meant during His time on earth when He was in a man’s body.

This was a very special case ... and GOD certainly had His reasons for doing it.
And His reasons were fully and totally logical and understandable, and pure genius.

In 70+ verses, the Bible says this very special spirit being actually is GOD,
is equal to Father GOD, is the Creator, is the Giver of eternal life, etc.
The Bible says that Almighty GOD is comprised of 3 “Persons” in 1 GOD.
Totally incomprehensible, right?

The Bible also says that Jesus' gospel is “foolishness” to most people.

Perhaps you’d like to know why this incomprehensibility and foolishness is okay with GOD?
More than just "okay" actually ... He planned it all that way. Sorry, but ...

[Assad]

^ Dr.Ejaz.

Funny that you wrote a paragraph giving your interpretations without even answering the contents of the original post.

The Bible is right when it says gospel is foolishness to most people , God knew back than people such as you would definitely land on the planet.

Originally Posted by Dr.Ejaz

This was a very special case ... and GOD certainly had His reasons for doing it.
And His reasons were fully and totally logical and understandable, and pure genius.

So you understood god reasons fully and totally ? wonderful , but please dont 'enlighten us' by what you understand because we are seriously interested in knowing what God said/did/made clear rather than what you want to understand wishfully.

Cheers