> Christianity - What do you need to know?

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

as-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah.

What is the general things taht you wish you had known or that regularly come up when you try to give da'wah to Christians?

What would you like information about or help with or any common questions you may have?

I've nearly finished my exams, so I shall be available.

Br.al-Habeshi

[Qatada]

wasalaam alaikum warahmatulah wabarakatuh


koool :D alhamdulillah you're asking..


okay, we want the main verses which focus on proving that jesus was sent to the jews specifically, and not necessarily to mankind. we also want refutations to the claims where they say jesus came to all of mankind.

we also want to know who jesus is, through his own sayings i.e. he is human and not God. we want verses from Qur'an, but also from bible to prove this. we want the argument to be related to only paul introducing this concept of jesus being 'god', and not jesus himself. you might also want to mention abdullah ibn saba' in our islamic history, the jewish man who also started the shi'a sect, causing many to go astray from the pure teachings and beliefs of Prophet Muhammad and 'Ali ibn abi talib (radhiAllahu 'anhu.)


erm, we also want proof from the bible that jesus never came to abolish the law of moses, if thats possible, but it was a continuation of it.

maybe your understanding of the crucifixion, since i want to get an ex christian who's become muslims perspectives issue on it. i find it amazing that ex-christian - Muslims can believe that the crucifixion never occurred, when the Qur'an isn't detailed about it. what convinces u islam is more truthful?


Also, logical arguments as to these issues, not necessarily just textual.


That's all yet for the time being. try to make them brief, accurate and quotation of alot of evidences.



bullet points and subheadings will be useful for quick and easy to read articles. so keep that in mind.



jazak Allah khayr akhi.

[Assad]

walikum assalam,

JazakAllah for your kind offer. I would like to know what evidence is there at bible contains major variations. As when we talk about variant readings of Bible, Christians point out that such variances are on minor issues and can be reconciled by comparing it to different version of Bibles. So how can we carry that along?

[Al Habeshi]

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

I have my last exam today so I will be free insha'Allah after today to start doing some studying and writing.

Something to bear in mind is this: Normally the Muslim debaters from the time of Ahmed Deedat rahimahullah have argued on the basis of the Bible, and you have many articles online talking about this verse saying this and that verse saying that. (maybe with the exception of some Shabbir Ally academic debates)

The thing is, in their academic circles, they do not do this. They realise that the Bible is the work of men who may have taken some stories and change their context and shown Jesus in a different light. So what do they do to find the historical Jesus? They try to apply a science. Like we have the science of hadith, they use a historical methodology where they have criteria and apply it to parts of the Gospels and then say: This is more likely to be true than this part.

This is my style because I think it is more accurate. So any work I write - insha'Allah - will be from this side.

What I will do - insha'Allah - is do some introductions to it so any reader gets the idea of what happens and then talk about the issues you guys spoke about briefly in seperate articles.

I think what will come out of most my work - which may probably confuse some is that I will often say we do not know something. I tend to be very careful in making conclusions, it takes alot to convince me for or against something. So look at what I propose and if you think 'we do know' then forget my 'we do not know' conclusion.

I also want to undertake a project of using the hadith science on the Gospels, since some apologist seem to say 'Muslims need to be consistent' and analysing if the Gospels would even pass the first three catagories of a sahih or hasan hadith. So make du'a that Allah put barakah in my time!

Brother Acid: I wrote an essay a while back for college on the whether we can know the Historical Jesus. Which touched on: 1. Those who claim the text has been preserved word for word, and those who claim the message of Jesus has been generally preserved. It was last year that I wrote it, not very in depth and I would change alot of it, that's why I have not put it here. But I will try mail it to you to see when I can.

Br.al-Habeshi

[Aayah]

I was looking forward to come back and posting my "so many" questions to a former christian. Jazak Allah Khair for giving us such a chance

as a beginning, I just want make sure of something:

Is the old testament what we call now as Torah? the book of Moses? if so, then isn't this mean that Christians and Jews are believing in the same book? at least for the old testament part?

[Assad]

Originally Posted by Ayah

Is the old testament what we call now as Torah? the book of Moses? if so, then isn't this mean that Christians and Jews are believing in the same book? at least for the old testament part?

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According to the current day Bible, Christians are supposed to be following Old Testament which is considered according to Jews and Christians , the book of Moses.

But the Christians dont follow the Laws in Old testaments e.g. Ten Commandments because they think that Jesus has bought news laws in the New Testament however according to current day Bible, Jesus is reported to have said that he did not come to abolish the law of old prophets but to fulfill it. So theoretically according to Bible Christians should follow Law of Old Testament but they dont.. and why is that? Because they are Christians.

[Aayah]

^ wa alykom asalam

Can you quote the verses from bible where it says that they supposed to follow the old testament and also where Jesus peace be upon him deny that he did not bring any laws to abolish the old testament?

Jazak Allah khair

[Assad]

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets;I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” Matthew 5:17.


Jesus (peace be upon him) makes it clear that he didn't come with any new laws or to abolish the law of Moses but to upheld it. Hence Christians are commanded to follow the Old testament.

You may like to read this:

Muhammed The Prophet of Islam_Jacob's Omen about Shilon

[Aayah]

^ jazak Allah khair brother for that, I got it all now


I want to know more about Peter, he is one of Jesus disciples or something like that. Can someone recommend any sites for reading something reliable about him? or even give a brief description about him here?

I have been told that he was in conflict with Paul, can someone clarify that please? what kind of conflict they had?


jazakum Allah khair

[Assad]

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According to research, Paul was a Roman pagan and is considered as the main cause of the corruption of Christianity. He introduced Roman paganism into Christianity and so made it acceptable to his people to save the Roman Kingdom.

Sister you may like to read bro. Sami Zaatari article on Paul vs other disciples which will give you a brief idea about what Paul taught and how it conflicted others.

Paul VS the Disciples