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Contradictions


The genealogy of Joseph not Jesus !!

MATHEW 1:181- David 2- Solomon 3- Rehobo'am4- Abi'jah5- Asa 6- Jehosh'aphat 7- Joram8- Uzzi'ah 9- Jotham 10-Ahaz 11-Hezeki'ah 12-Manas'seh 13-Amos 14-Josi'ah 15-Jechoni'ah 16-Al'ti-el 17-Zerub'babel 18-Abi'ud 19-Eli'akim 20-Azor 20-Azor 21-Zadok22-Achim 23-Eli'ud 24-Elea'zar 25-Matthan 26-Jacob 27-Joseph 28-Jesus


whereas in;

LUKE 3:23
1- David
2- Nathan
3- Mat'tatha
4- Menna
5- Me'-le-a
6- Eli'akim
7- Jonam
8- Joseph
9- Juda
10-Simeon
11-Levi
12-Matthat
13-Jorim
14-Elie'zer
15-Joshua
16-Er
17-Elma'dam
18-Cosam
19-Addi
20-Melchi
20-Melchi
21-Neri
22-Sheal'ti-el
23-Zerub'babel
24-Rhesa
25-Jo-an'an
26-Joda
27-Josech
28-Sem'e-in
29-Matathi'as
30-Ma'ath
31-Nag'ga-i
32-Esli
33-Nahum
34-Amos
35-Mattathi'as
36-Joseph
37-Jan'na-i
38-Melchi
39-Levi
40-Matthat
41-Heli
42-Joseph
43-Jesus

[Math. 1:18] The genealogy of "Jesus" contains 28 names of his fathers.



[Luke 3:23] The genealogy of "Jesus" contains 42 DIFFERENT NAMES of the fathers of Jesus than we find in Mathew. (If the Christians attempt to excuse that error by saying that the other descendants belong to Jesus threw his mother, while we find that his genealogy belongs to Joseph the carpenter, but we can analyze the contradiction clearly when we find two different fathers for Joseph the carpenter. His father in Mathew is Jacob while his father according to Luke is Heli.)






Contradictory names of Jesus's disciples


[Math. 10:2] Mathew gives the names of the disciples of Jesus.


[Luke 6:13] But Luke gives contradictory names of the disciples of Jesus to Mathew.


MATHEW 10:2 & MARK 3:16
1- Simon the Cananean
2- Simon called Peter
3- Andrew
4- James son of Zabadee
5- John
6- Philip
7- Bartholomew
8- Mathew
9- Thomas
10-James son of Alphaues
11-Labaous called Thadaues
12-Judas the Escariot



LUKE 6:14
1- Simon called Peter
2- Andrew his brother
3- James the son of Zabadee
4- John his brother
5- Philip
6- Bartholomew
7- Mathew the tax collector
8- Thomas
9- James the son of Alphaues
10-Simon the Zealot
11-Judas the son of James
12-Judas the Escariot







(Mathew and Mark add: Labaous and Simon the Cananean, and omit: Simon the jealous and Judah the brother of James. While Luke adds: Simon the jealous and Judah the brother of James. He omits: Labaoues and Simon the Cananean.)






Other Contradictions


[Math. 1:16] Joseph the carpenter is the son of Jacob.



[Luke 3:23] Joseph the carpenter is the son of He'-li.


[1 Corin. 15:5] Jesus appeared to the twelve after he rose again.



[Math. 28:16] Jesus appeared to the eleven after he rose again.


[Math. 19:28] You which followed me in the regeneration, when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you shall also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.



[John 6:70] Have I not chosen you twelve, and one of you is a DEVIL ?!!!


[John 8:14] If I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.



[John 5:31] If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.


[John 9:29] God is with me: The father has not left me alone.



[Math 27:46] My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.


[Luke 5:1] The story of the fishermen happened at the beginning of Jesus's mission. (see also Mathew 4:18)



[John 21:1] The story of the fishermen happened after Jesus was resurrected from the dead.


[Math. 21:18] Jesus purified the temple from the sellers before he passed by the fig tree which he cursed.



[Mark 11:12] Jesus purified the temple from the sellers after he passed by the fig tree which he cursed.


[2 Sam. 24:1] God provoked David against Israel, and said: Go and number them.



[1 Chron. 21:1] Satan provoked David against Israel and ordered him to go and number Israel.


[2 Sam. 10:18] David slew seven hundred chariots of the Syrians.



[1 Chron. 19:18] David slew seven thousand chariots of the Syrians.






Contradictory narrations about crucifixion


[Mark 15:25] It was the third hour, and they crucified him.



[John 19:14] It was the sixth hour, and he was not crucified yet.


[Math. 27:32] They compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus. (see also Luke 23:26 and Mark 15:21)



[John 19:17] Jesus was bearing his cross himself.


[Mark 15:21] They put Jesus on the cross.



[1 Peter 2:24 ] They put Jesus on the tree. (See also Gal. 3:13)


[Mark 15:23] They gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.



[Math. 27:34] They gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.


[Mark 27:44] The two thieves who were crucified with him were insulting him.



[Luke 23:39] One of the thieves was reviling Jesus, and the other rebuked him saying: Do not you fear God?... And then he said to Jesus: Remember me when you come to your Kingdom. Jesus said to him, "Verily I say unto you, today you shall be with me in Paradise."


[Math. 27:5] Judas went and hanged himself.



[Acts 1:18] Judas fell headlong, and burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.


[John 20:1] The visitors to Jesus's grave: Mary Mag-da-le-ne only.



[Math. 28:1] Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary.



[Luke 24:10] Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary and Jo'-an-na.



[Mark 16:1] Mary Mag-da-le-ne3 and another Mary and Sa-lo'-me.


[John 20:12] One woman saw two angels at the grave of Jesus.



[Math. 28:2] Two women saw one angel.



[Luke 24:3] Three women saw two men.



[Mark 16:5] Three women saw one man.


Mary the Mag-da-le-ne and Mary the mother of James and Jo'-an-na returned back from the grave and told the eleven apostles all of what they saw.

[Mark 16:8] Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary and Sa-lo'-me returned back from the grave and did not tell anyone anything because they were afraid.

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Differences between Quran & Bible


Bible: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he RESTED, and was REFRESHED. [Exo. 31:17]

Quran: We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch us. [50:38]

Bible: In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.. and then created the light of day and darkness of night, and then the plants, and finally he created the sun and the moon. [Genes. 1:1-31]

Quran: Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before we clove them asunder? [21:30]

Bible: Let us make man IN OUR IMAGE, after our likeness. [Exo. 1:26]

Quran: There is nothing whatever LIKE UNTO HIM, and he is the one that hears and sees. [41:11] He begets not, nor he is begotten, and there is none like untohim. [112:3]


Bible: How long will you forget me, O Lord. [Psalm 13:1]

Quran: My Lord never errs, NOR FORGETS. [20:52]

Bible: AWAKE, WHY DO YOU SLEEP, O LORD ? [Psalm 4:23] Then the Lord AWAKED AS ONE OUT OF SLEEP, and like a mighty man that shouts by reason of wine. [Psalm 4:23]

Quran: Allah! There is no god but He, the living, the Selfsubsisting Supporter of all. No slumber seizes Him nor Sleep. [2:255]

Bible: O Lord, how long shall I cry, and YOU WILL NOT HEAR? [Hab. 1:2]

Quran: Truly my Lord is he, the Hearer of prayer. [14:39] If you pronounce the word aloud, (it is no matter) for verily He knows what is secret and what is yet more hidden. [20:7]


Bible: O Lord of hosts, how long will you not have mercy on Jerusalem. [Zech. 1:12]Will the Lord castoff forever? and will he be favourable no more? IS HIS MERCY CLEAN GONE FOREVER? does his promise fail for evermore? Has God forgotten to be gracious? [Psalm 77:7]MY HOPE IS PERISHED FROM THE LORD. [Lamen. 3:18]

Quran: O my servants who have transgressed against their souls! despair not of the mercy of Allah: For Allah forgives all sins: for he is Oft-Forgiving most Merciful. [39:53]

Bible: O Lord, bow down your ear: open your eyes and see. [2King. 19:16]

Quran: Verily, Allah knows the unseen of the heavens and the earth: and Allah sees well all that you do. [49:18]

Bible: The Lord said, "I will break my covenant with them" [Levi. 26:44] You said O Lord: My covenant will I not break.. 38 But you cast off and abhorred, you have been wroth with your annointed. You have made void the covenant of your servant. 43 You have made all his enemies to rejoice, you have also turned the edge of his sword, and have made him to stand in the battle 46 HOW LONG WILL YOU HIDE YOURSELF FOR EVER? [Psalm 89:19]

Quran: It is the promise of Allah. Never does Allah fail from His promise but most men know not. [30:6]

Bible: With the pure you show yourself pure, and with the crooked you show yourself perverse. [2 Sam. 22:27]

Quran: O you who believe stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to Allah even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin. [4:135]

Bible: God said to Jesus, "You are my son today I have begotten you" [Heb.5:5] God said to David, "You are my son today I have begotten you"[Psalm2:7]


Quran: Say: He is Allah, The One; Allah, The Eternal Absolute; He does not beget, Nor is He begotten, and there is none like unto Him. [112:1] Quran: No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with him. [if so] then behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! (He is free)from (the sort of) things they attribute to Him. [23:91]


Quran: And they say, "The Most Gracious Has betaken a son!" Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are bout to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin: That they attributed a son to the Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to the Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them [all], and numbered them exactly, and everyone of them will come to himsingly on the day of judgment. [19:88]

Bible: Then Mary said unto the angel, "How shall this be [that she'll have a son] Seeing I know not a man? The angel answered and said unto her, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the highest shall overshadow you". [Luke 1:34]

Quran: Then [Mary] said, "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste? He said, "So (it will be) Your Lord said, "That is easy for me: and we wish to appoint him as a sign unto men and a mercy from us. It is a matter (So) decreed. [19:20]

Bible: God said to the children of Israel, "Every woman shall BORROW of her neighbour jewels of silver and gold, and remaint, and you shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters and you shall spoil the Egyptians. [Exo. 3:22]

So they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels and remaint: And the Lord Gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.[Exo.12:35]

Quran: Say: "Nay, Allah never commands what is indecent: Do you say of Allah what you know not? " [7:28]

Bible: I am the Lord, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. [Deut. 5:7] Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers. [Isiah 14:21]

Quran: Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear th burden of another. [6:164]
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Bible: And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. Slay utterly old and young both maids and little children, and woman. [Ezek. 9:5]And the Lord sain unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'-an-itesThey warred against the Mid'-i-an-ites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slew all the males. And they TOOK ALL WOMEN OF CAPTIVES, AND THEIR LITTLE ONES, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles, with fire. Moses said "Have you saved all the women alive? 17 NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN that has known a man by lying with him, But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. [Num. 31:1]

Hadeeth: The Prophet Mohamad said to his army before going to a fight "Depart in the name of Allah, and by his help. And kill not any old man nor young boy nor child, nor woman, But be good doers for Allah loves those who do good.

Bible: We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [Roman 3:28]

Quran: Do men think that they will be left alone on saying we believe and they will not be tested! But We did test those before them and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false. [29:1]

Bible: Resist not evil: But whosoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue you at the law, and take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. [Math. 5:38]

Quran: The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (In degree): but if a person forgives and make reconciliation his reward is due from Allah: For (Allah) loves not those who do wrong. [42:40] Let them forgive and overlook, Do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, most Merciful. [24:22]

A Woman charged in adultry without witness biblical or Quranic solution ?

Quran: And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own - Their solitary evidence (can be received) if one of them bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that he is solemnly telling the truth; And the fifth (oath) (should be) that may the curse of Allah be on himself if he is telling a lie. But it would avert the punishment (in life from being stoned) from her, if she bears witness four times (with an oath) by Allah, that he is telling a lie. And the fifth (oath) should be that may wrath (the wrath is more serious than the curse) of Allah be on herself if he is telling the truth. (After that the judge will get them sepparated and if conceive and bear a child he will follow the name of his mother's family).[24:6-9]

Solution of the bible

Bible: And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, if any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, and a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; and the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled; then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall her offering for her the tenth part of an e'-phah of barely meal, he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering for memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord; And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water; And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncovers the woman's head, and put the offering of the memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering; and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causes the curse; And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, ifno man has lain with you, and if you have not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of your husband, and you free from this bitter water that causes the curse. But if you have gone aside to another instead of your husband, and if you be defiled, and some man have lain with you beside your husband; Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the Lord does make your thigh to rot, and your belly to swell; And this water that causes the curse shall go into your bowels, to make your belly to swell, and your thigh to rot; and the woman shall say: A'men, a'-men. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water; And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causes the curse; and the water that causes the curse; shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar. And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And he has made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causes the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. (Num. 5:13-28)

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May I dare to suggest that actually this would be quite a weak method of Dawah?

For example, all Christians (I would hope) would respond to your first chapter by saying "So what?" It is a fundamental view in Christianity that Yahweh, by His grace, works in and through imperfect people to bring about His purposes, and His plans are carried out despite our sin. Unlike in Islam, prophets (and priests and kings) in Judaism and Christianity are just normal, imperfect people who have been chosen and called by God. This encourages us that, despite our imperfections, Yahweh wants to use us to bring about His Kingdom on Earth. And it's also pretty humbling to, and says wonders about Yahweh's glory.

If you really want to use the Bible against Christians, you should engage with what Christians say about these verses, look at verses in context, and challenge Christian methodology - that would be much more persuasive.

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Its actually tough for a human to follow someone who claims to be a Prophet if that person commits heinous sins such as incest themselves.

We believe Prophets are the best guides for humanity due to their high morale standards.