> The Bible Admits Jews Killed Prophet Zechariah/Zakariah [Matthew 23: 34-36]

[Qatada]

Matthew 23: 29-36 (New International Version)


29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!



33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.





Matthew 23:27-23:38 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

[FutureAndAHope]

I would like to show some things to you.


Joe 2:26-29 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

The verses above were a prophecy regarding God's desire. Firstly the said "And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.". God choose Israel to be his special people, He said he would be in the midst of them, and he would not make the ashamed. God does not want to shame out Israel, he choose them as a nation to reveal his truth. Which can be found in the last part of the passage"

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

God said he would pour His Spirit out on all people, including the lowest servants, and handmaids. Both male and female. He did this in the book of Acts when the Holy Spirit was poured out on Jews seeking God. He also sent them (the Jews) to the Gentiles (other people, non Jews) . Gods desire is to abide with all men via his Holy Spirit. Salvation only comes to those who receive His Spirit into their lives.

In regard to the Jews it appears you see them as hard hearted, stubborn or evil.

This is what God would have you do:

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[salman]

^Hope, I have to remind you again of forum rules. Rule # 3 say that you cannot promote your non-Islamic beliefs in any shape or form. So please try to follow our rules, thank you.

As far your post, it is bit astonishing coming from a Christian because apparently the jews killed your man-god. And after that, throughout history Jews have been persecuted and lived in horrible state under the Christians because of their crime.

As far your lost comment, "love your enemies", do you love satan? Do you love Muslims even though our belief is blasphemous to you? Did God say that love His enemies? The love which is talked about in this verse is behaving in good manners with them and praying for their guidance. It has nothing to do with the point which Christians always raise.

[FutureAndAHope]

The rule that you have made seems to me to be very restrictive. It is not open minded. Christian forums that I visit encourage dialogue between faiths. How can you expect to see the truth about a matter if you only present one side. Or do you fear that your religion will not stand up to scrutiny. Learning about other religions helps you to help others see the truth.

As for your comments on the "Love your enemies" verse Jesus is referring to men. All people are to be loved, and treated well. As an example if Israel loved the Palestinians, and the Palestinians loved Israel there would be no war. Jesus does not want us performing hateful action one to another. So he commanded us to love; and to clarify who, he said even our enemies.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by FutureAndAHope

The rule that you have made seems to me to be very restrictive. It is not open minded. Christian forums that I visit encourage dialogue between faiths.

dialogue and promotion is extremely different. learn the difference between then and then commence your actions based on that

How can you expect to see the truth about a matter if you only present one side.

others were able to articulate their belief in dialogue. however your post is anything from a dialogue.

Or do you fear that your religion will not stand up to scrutiny. Learning about other religions helps you to help others see the truth.

our way is not based on the matter of criticism. Our religion is based on a principle called "sadd ad-dhaari" which entails the idea of "blocking the means". this principles is enacted as a way to avert harm to people who are being led away from the path of God and into a path of other than Him. This is part of a more broader principle of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil.

As for your comments on the "Love your enemies" verse Jesus is referring to men. All people are to be loved, and treated well. As an example if Israel loved the Palestinians, and the Palestinians loved Israel there would be no war. Jesus does not want us performing hateful action one to another. So he commanded us to love; and to clarify who, he said even our enemies.

explain to us why did Jesus perform the "hateful" action of rampaging the pharisees in their temple in the violent manner that he did. The prophetic methodology that all the prophets taughts their followers including Jesus alaihi salam, is that there is something called good, and it exist, and there is something called evil, and evil exists, and man can be both the adherent of good OR the adherent of evil. More importantly, what they taught was love and have allegiance to the people of good and truth and to have enmity to the people of evil and falsehood. The purported modern version of christianity that you espouse now completely deletes the essence of evil and its manifestations in the world based on How Jesus was towards righteous people thereby not utilizing his dealings with evil people and his severe and vehement warnings against the children of Israel.

[FutureAndAHope]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

explain to us why did Jesus perform the "hateful" action of rampaging the pharisees in their temple in the violent manner that he did. The prophetic methodology that all the prophets taughts their followers including Jesus alaihi salam, is that there is something called good, and it exist, and there is something called evil, and evil exists, and man can be both the adherent of good OR the adherent of evil. More importantly, what they taught was love and have allegiance to the people of good and truth and to have enmity to the people of evil and falsehood. The purported modern version of christianity that you espouse now completely deletes the essence of evil and its manifestations in the world based on How Jesus was towards righteous people thereby not utilizing his dealings with evil people and his severe and vehement warnings against the children of Israel.

2Co 10:3-5 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

As a Christian we do not engage in physical conflict, we are told to bring down arguments. One of those being "the need for aggression against our enimies". Love covers a multitude of sins. If we can learn to love those who treat us wrongly we will release our selves from judgment. As Jesus says, "Forgive us as we forgive those who sin against us". If we love others how can we be judged by God, but if we are found to be a murderer, or a thief, or a rapist, then before God we will be judged. Those who do such things will be punished not by religion, but by police forces (which are of God). I will ask you one question, why is it wrong in your opinion to love your enimies? God does not think it is wrong.

[Assad]

The verses above were a prophecy regarding God's desire. Firstly the said "And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.". God choose Israel to be his special people, He said he would be in the midst of them, and he would not make the ashamed. God does not want to shame out Israel, he choose them as a nation to reveal his truth. Which can be found in the last part of the passage"

Your quote is not an answer to the topic that Bible admits that Jews killed Prophet(s).

Even a grade 8 student can recognise that.

Unfortunately I can no longer answer your post because your post is not an answer or discussion but a random selection from your bible.