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[salman]

Originally Posted by Raied

To them, what they do is not wierd or funny. Instead of making fun of them and insulting them and laughing at them, dont you think as muslims we should explain to them.

if they would listen to our 'ulama, do they think they would continue doing so? If you tell them do you know what they are going to call you? On top of that, they would slander the great sunni 'ulama and call them kafir etc. I'm sure you're well aware of the label "wahabi". Why do people continue blindly following these deviant mullas? Remember a sister from old forum; despite the fact we told her about Tahir ul qadri, she continued defending him and her beliefs. On top of that she called me and another member extremists.

No one is making fun of them rather exposing their deviant and heretical views and believes. Imam Ahmad (rahimahullah) said that it is a jihad to refute the innovators.

@acid
bro, even though deuobandis are not sunni in 'aqeedah but let's not talk about them in this thread.

[Exquisite]

Assalamu alaykum

Bro Salman a kind request, can you please remove the names in your above post, inshaAllah, I don't see any benefit, in mentioning any names inshaAllah.

JazakAllah khair.

[Acid]

^ I agree to this too.

I remember few weeks back I was discussing about nazar o niaz and saint worshipping with on of my friend and she said that no we should all do this and our forefathers used to do it so they must have had some reason for this , so i told her about how pagans used to respond to Prophet PBUH in a same manner than she admiited that I was right but still she doesnt give up her beliefs and consider them right. Then few days later I sent her a answer from Scholar from Islamonline.net that clearly prohibited saint worshipping then she replied " Assad I dont know why are you sent me this but i assure you that this has not at all changed my beliefs" .. She usually sits on yanabi forum which is the biggest deviant sect forum on net. So thats how people turn a blind eye to our saying or the truth.

[Raied]

By calling them "fools" i think that is insulting them.

But the way you are saying it brother Salman, we shouldnt then give dawah to anyone, cuz they are not gona change their ways.
Guidance comes from Allah. Our goal is to convey the message only.

And far as you are exposing them, i dont see a poblem with that. But it should be done is a more respectful and more proffesional fashion.

As i said, by posting a video which is showing them do wierd things, its not gonna help change their mind.

I dont know about others, but i am whole heartedly against such things.

[Acid]

Originally Posted by Raeid

As i said, by posting a video which is showing them do wierd things, its not gonna help change their mind.

I have to disagree to agree . We need to prevent the Muslims from getting involved with such people and for that reason we have to expose their reality just like we need people to know that Shia believe in books other then Qur'an!

[salman]

Originally Posted by Exquisite

Assalamu alaykum

Bro Salman a kind request, can you please remove the names in your above post, inshaAllah, I don't see any benefit, in mentioning any names inshaAllah.

JazakAllah khair.

Wa'alykum As-Salam

removed and Jazak Allah khair for the reminder

@acid
bro, this is what i'm talking about. It reminds of these ayat (interpretation of the meaning): "They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allâh (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allâh)" [Surat at-Tawbah: 30-31]

The tafsir of this ayat is well descibed by a hadith in Sunan at-Trimidhi, Hadith # 3020. The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) answered the question of 'Adee bin Hatim (May Allah be pleased with him): "They [Jews and Christians] did not worship them rather, when the scholars would make something permissible, they would consider it permissible and if they made something impermissible, they would consider it to be impermissible". Under the same verse, Imaam Qurtubi states: "They made their scholars and rabbi's their lords because they obeyed them in everything" (Tafseer Qurtubi volume 8 page 120).

And what about the numerous ayaat in which Allah Ta'ala warned the musrikeen that don't follow your forefathers.

May Allah Ta'ala and His Messenger (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) be our sources of guidance, ameen!

[salman]

Originally Posted by Raied

By calling them "fools" i think that is insulting them.

I said they're exposing their foolish behaviors by exposing their deviant believes.

Originally Posted by Raied

But the way you are saying it brother Salman, we shouldnt then give dawah to anyone, cuz they are not gona change their ways.

akhi kareem, i never said it. We're giving them da'wah by exposing their deviant believes and telling them what are the correct teachings of Islam.

Originally Posted by Raied

Guidance comes from Allah. Our goal is to convey the message only.

agreed

Originally Posted by Raied

And far as you are exposing them, i dont see a poblem with that. But it should be done is a more respectful and more proffesional fashion.

please do set an example for us so that we may follow it, insha'Allah.