> Muslim Response Addressing Modern Contentions

[al-boriqee]

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the following is a question and answer session with a pure knowledgeable salafi brother regarding our polemic

It is a powerful proponent and representation of how we give our debate and dawah in a knowledge based form against all those who have contentions with our law and our faith. his name is Abu Tawbah and they have a wealth of classical knowledge that can be found on thefiks.org

this brother is the perfect model of how I would like many of you to be, to stand firm and don't sugar coat anything, and his replies are piercing the kuffaric thoughts and contentions

here is the lecture

Part 1

HUNTER COLLEGE Q & A (PT.1)

HUNTER COLLEGE Q & A (PT.1)

Part 2

HUNTER COLLEGE Q & A (PT.2)

HUNTER COLLEGE Q & A (PT.2)

[al-boriqee]

can someone post the actual video display cuz i don't know how to do it

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[salman]

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Jazak Allah khayr for sharing akhee; I'll go over them, insha'Allah. I've added both parts of the video.

[al-boriqee]

asalamu alaikum akhee salman

remember about he balanced and middle way

This brother giving the talk (Abu Tauba) is the 6th person I have dealt with in my entire life of being Muslim to be the true manifestation of being balanced.

this person is truely and strictly a salafi and yet does not fold and bend to the salafitalk kalaam stuff, nor any other modalities people fall into.

when I get a chance I wil post the beginning of his basic fiqh courses because in the first 2 or 3 lectures, he speaks more about the manhaj more so than the actual course, and he does so clearly and to the point. This brother, In my opinion, is smokin and you will notice his style in the video.

However, in order to understan the style and way of he brother, you will have to see a video called "studying in mauritania" which I will post somewhere

Anyways, akhee you got to show me how to post the video like that. I tried embedding it and I even copied the entire picture of the video, but it never worked

asalamu alaikum

[salman]

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ok, insha'Allah, please do post the other videos of this brother, Jazak Allah khayr. I listened to few minutes of second part and he seems very good. I'll listen to rest of it sometime today if I get a chance.

akhee, the embed code should work. It may not have worked because embed code is only allowed in sections under multimedia but you posted it in section under refutation. All the video and audio should be posted in this section regardless of their topic. btw, for popular websites (i.e., youtube, google, etc.) you don't need embed code, all you've to do is post the link and the system will automatically embed the video.

[salman]

subhaanAllah, this akhee al-ustad is amazing. He totally blasted them, specially that atheists dude. my favourite quotes:

"I bet on that day [day of judgement] you won't be saying this atheist stuff"

"[if you want people to follow your set of rules, then] go make your own world"

akhee boriqee, where were you hiding this good stuff bro, tons of Jazak Allah khayr. definitely, no sugar coating; I've clarified so many times before that we're not here to please the kufaar. If they like Islam good for them and if they don't like Islam then it is their choice.

btw akhee, I got couple of questions:

1) do you know this brother personally?

2) regarding apostasy, did the Salaf differ? Meaning, did they differ over when an apostate can be killed: when the person openly admits it or rebels against an Islamic state? Is there an opinion from Shaykh ul-Islam (rahimahullah) that an apostate must not be put to death till he/she rebels against an Islamic state? I'm aware of the view that he/she should be given da'wah and 3 days. If I remember correctly, ibn Qadamah (rahimahullah) mentioned this in mughni.

[al-boriqee]

Im staying yp past my bed time just for you akhee lol

Originally Posted by salman

subhaanAllah, this akhee al-ustad is amazing. He totally blasted them, specially that atheists dude. my favourite quotes:

"I bet on that day [day of judgement] you won't be saying this atheist stuff"

"[if you want people to follow your set of rules, then] go make your own world"

Yep, he is my man and when I post his other stuff, your initial reaction is going to be "man this is a salafi who has his head on flawlessly"

akhee boriqee, where were you hiding this good stuff bro, tons of Jazak Allah khayr

a bro, Im ME hahaha, wa feek barakallah

definitely, no sugar coating; I've clarified so many times before that we're not here to please the kufaar. If they like Islam good for them and if they don't like Islam then it is their choice.

YEs, an that is how our manhaj should be. This ustadh does not need to review Yasir Qadhis lecture, He is the perfect embodiment and fulfillment of the intent of Yasir Qadhi's lectures. ANd if I might add, with a little street spice and hood flavor becaue I too am from the hood

btw akhee, I got couple of questions:

1) do you know this brother personally?

Not yet, I discussed with him on his website www.thefiks.org. I told him that I would be going up to New York this summer and one of my primal reasons Im going is just to see him and give him a bif fat kiss, because he is what I am in a more knowledhable fashion. His ilm will nlow you away. I will post his khutbahs and his lectures inshallah maybe wedneday

2) regarding apostasy, did the Salaf differ? Meaning, did they differ over when an apostate can be killed: when the person openly admits it or rebels against an Islamic state? Is there an opinion from Shaykh ul-Islam (rahimahullah) that an apostate must not be put to death till he/she rebels against an Islamic state? I'm aware of the view that he/she should be given da'wah and 3 days. If I remember correctly, ibn Qadamah (rahimahullah) mentioned this in mughni.

bro, thats a whole forum of its own

some of the madhaabs differed in its application. I know the hanafees were more leniant than the rest. I had found a wonderful extraction of the topic mostly of hanafi outlook along with others, but I failed to save it and now I can't find it. I also discussed about 200 post and about 10 thread concerning this topic with the modernists and madhaabis.
from my knowledge, the hanbalis were he most harcore with it allowing only three days. I don;t know if the amount of time is an issue of ijtihaad by which other scholars can look into out times and formulate a different ijtihaad wallahul-alim. Im no mutafaqih to even say if that is possible or not

I myself tak the view that if you apostate, then you have two conditions

1. you openly are doing so with the intent of mutiny
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2. you apostate without the intent of mutiny

In my view, if you keep your apostacy silent, then you are simply not intending mutiny and therefore you are not considered a murtad by the state and hence the condition of this person is purely a munafiq and his ruling is that of a munafiq, which is that he remains with the muslims and is treated in this as such.

However, if you wish to become vocal in your apostacy and wish to broadcast it, then in my view, you intend mutiny of some sort.

HOWEVER, even if the apostaste does not intend mutiny or to bring chaos, then he should have kept silent because by default of Islamic law, apostasy is in and of itself mutiny against the state. If the Muslim knows this as a muslim, and if he truely does not intent to cause harm and chaos, then the action that speaks for his intention is to remain silent because broadcasting it reveals an intention contrary than the claim of "not wanting to provoke chaos and munity"

this is my view wallahul-alim

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[salman]

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Originally Posted by al-boriqee

Im staying yp past my bed time just for you akhee lol

lol, Jazak Allah kharian akhee

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

Yep, he is my man and when I post his other stuff, your initial reaction is going to be "man this is a salafi who has his head on flawlessly"

a bro, Im ME hahaha, wa feek barakallah

lol, I look forward to other videos, barak Allahu feeka

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

Not yet, I discussed with him on his website www.thefiks.org. I told him that I would be going up to New York this summer and one of my primal reasons Im going is just to see him and give him a bif fat kiss, because he is what I am in a more knowledhable fashion. His ilm will nlow you away. I will post his khutbahs and his lectures inshallah maybe wedneday

I wish I could meet you brothers there; hug him twice akhee, one from me, lol.

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

bro, thats a whole forum of its own

some of the madhaabs differed in its application. I know the hanafees were more leniant than the rest. I had found a wonderful extraction of the topic mostly of hanafi outlook along with others, but I failed to save it and now I can't find it. I also discussed about 200 post and about 10 thread concerning this topic with the modernists and madhaabis.
from my knowledge, the hanbalis were he most harcore with it allowing only three days. I don;t know if the amount of time is an issue of ijtihaad by which other scholars can look into out times and formulate a different ijtihaad wallahul-alim. Im no mutafaqih to even say if that is possible or not

I suspected hanaabilah to be more strict for obvious reasons that we know. Do you know of any good books which cover this issue from the views of the Salaf and the 4 madaahab? Please do share your notes if you find them, insha'Allah.

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

I myself tak the view that if you apostate, then you have two conditions

1. you openly are doing so with the intent of mutiny
OR
2. you apostate without the intent of mutiny

In my view, if you keep your apostacy silent, then you are simply not intending mutiny and therefore you are not considered a murtad by the state and hence the condition of this person is purely a munafiq and his ruling is that of a munafiq, which is that he remains with the muslims and is treated in this as such.

However, if you wish to become vocal in your apostacy and wish to broadcast it, then in my view, you intend mutiny of some sort.

HOWEVER, even if the apostaste does not intend mutiny or to bring chaos, then he should have kept silent because by default of Islamic law, apostasy is in and of itself mutiny against the state. If the Muslim knows this as a muslim, and if he truely does not intent to cause harm and chaos, then the action that speaks for his intention is to remain silent because broadcasting it reveals an intention contrary than the claim of "not wanting to provoke chaos and munity"

this is my view wallahul-alim

ok, Jazak Allah khayr for sharing this. What would happen if the person doesn't bring it in public but someone else finds out. I remember bro Abuz Zubair mentioned that he/she would still put to death whether he/she broadcasts it because he doesn't necessarily have to broadcast in public that he is an apostate, his/her actions can speak for themselves.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by salman

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I suspected hanaabilah to be more strict for obvious reasons that we know. Do you know of any good books which cover this issue from the views of the Salaf and the 4 madaahab? Please do share your notes if you find them, insha'Allah.

they are recorded in the books of fiqh under kitaabu-riddah or bab riddah and stuff. I'll see what I can do. I may post the entire arabic of each book of the madhaabs that I have inshallah

ok, Jazak Allah khayr for sharing this. What would happen if the person doesn't bring it in public but someone else finds out. I remember bro Abuz Zubair mentioned that he/she would still put to death whether he/she broadcasts it because he doesn't necessarily have to broadcast in public that he is an apostate, his/her actions can speak for themselves.

1. thats a big can
2. I would take what Abu Zubair says on the topic with not one, but 5 grains of salt due to several issues with his aqida.
3. the actions that do so speak are those actions that are considered apostasy outright, like kicking the qur'an, or reviling the messenger openly, or abandoning the salaah (and tarku-salaah is not agreed upon, others have opined that he is not a kaafir and this is a valid ikhtilaaf of ahlu-sunnah, however, the stronger position is that he is a kaafir). If the actions that he does is not tantomont to outright apostasy, then it does not matter what he does, nothing can happen to him.

asalamu alaikum

[salman]

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I'm going to post the three videos of Ustad Yasir Qadhi on this topic: addressing modern contentions

1 - Debunking the male bias myth

PERFECT JUSTICE: Debunking the Male Bias Myth - by Yasir Qadhi

PERFECT JUSTICE: Debunking the Male Bias Myth - by Yasir Qadhi

2 - The role of reason and intellect in Islam

Intelligent Faith: The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam - Yasir Qadhi

Intelligent Faith: The Role of Reason and Intellect in Islam - Yasir Qadhi

3 - Progress with the Progressives

YouTube- Yasir Qadhi - Progress with the Progressives (very good)

YouTube- Yasir Qadhi - Progress with the Progressives (very good)