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Old 01-18-2010, 02:28 PM   #21
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Try: "Darwin's black box" by Michael Behe.
To be fair , bro Abdul-fattah, it should be mentioned that:


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Peer review controversy

In 2005, while testifying for the defense in the Dover trial, Behe claimed under oath that the book had received a more thorough peer review than a scholarly article in a refereed journal,[16] a claim which appears to conflict the facts of the book's peer review.[17] Four of the book's five reviewers (Michael Atchison, Robert Shapiro, K. John Morrow, and Russell Doolittle) have made statements that contradict or otherwise do not support Behe's claim of the book passing a rigorous peer review.

Michael Atchison
Atchison has stated that he did not review the book at all, but spent 10 minutes on the phone receiving a brief overview of the book which he then endorsed without ever seeing the text.[18]

Robert Shapiro
Shapiro has said that he reviewed the book, and while he agreed with some of its analysis of origin-of-life research, he thought its conclusions are false, though the best explanation of the argument from design that was available.[19] Had the book been submitted to a peer-reviewed journal and this comment had appeared, the review provided by Shapiro would have forced the conclusions regarding intelligent design to be changed or removed.[19]

K. John Morrow
Morrow criticized the book as appalling and unsupported, which contributed to the original publisher turning down the book for publication.[20]

Russell Doolittle
Doolittle, upon whom Behe based much of his discussion of blood clotting, described it as misrepresenting many important points and disingenuous,[21] which also contributed to the original publisher turning down the book for publication.[22]
In the same trial, Behe eventually testified under oath that "There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred".[23] The result of the trial was the ruling that intelligent design is not science and is essentially religious in nature.
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Unlike William A. Dembski [30] and others in the intelligent design movement, Behe accepts the common descent of species,[31] including that humans descended from other primates, although he states that common descent does not by itself explain the differences between species. He also accepts the scientific consensus on the age of the Earth and the age of the Universe. In his own words:
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"For example, both humans and chimps have a broken copy of a gene that in other mammals helps make vitamin C. ... It's hard to imagine how there could be stronger evidence for common ancestry of chimps and humans. ... Despite some remaining puzzles, there’s no reason to doubt that Darwin had this point right, that all creatures on earth are biological relatives.” The Edge of Evolution, pp 71-2.
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In 1997 Russell Doolittle, on whose work Behe based much of the blood-clotting discussion in Darwin's Black Box, wrote a rebuttal to the statements about irreducible complexity of certain systems. In particular, Doolittle mentioned the issue of the blood clotting in his "A Delicate Balance".[33], Later on, in 2003, Doolittle's lab published a paper in the peer-reviewed journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science which demonstrates that the pufferfish lacks at least three out of 26 blood clotting factors, yet still has a workable blood clotting system.[34] Brown University biologist Ken Miller made the assertion that this defeats a key claim in Behe's book, that blood clotting is 'irreducibly complex.'[35] In Darwin's Black Box Behe had made these statements:

Source:Michael Behe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think most people(first of all myself) can comprehend just how incredibly complex this Evolution debate is.
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Yes, I'm quite aware of the controversy surrounding the book. However I think that's caused by the current atmosphere in scientific circles. Saying anything that contradicts evolution even the slightest is sort of a taboo in scientific circles and will often result in others considering you as some sort of heretic. Also, even though Behe might believe in common descent, he is still able to point out many shortcomings in the evolution theory and he certainly appears to have a much better insight in the matter compared to Harun Yahya.
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