> Debate Da'wah To Atheists'

[Abu Ilyas]

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Any effective tips for giving Da'wah to Atheists'?

If you would like to help - Here is the link; Civil -- Comparative Religion - The Muslim Zone Islamic Forum - Guiding Humanity To The Truth

Jazakallahu Khayr

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[salman]

Wa'alaykum As-Salam

brother, please try to explore our section on Atheism and Agnosticism. I'm sure it would help you, insha'Allah. The atheists differ, some just hate the notion of religion, others like to debate about moral teachings of religion etc, others are evolutionists or use reasoning. So, it depends who you're dealing with. It is important that you know the type of atheists you're dealing with and then argue with them accordingly. bro Qatada is good at linking to sources, so wait for him to reply, insha'Allah.

the topic on that forum on the "existence of God" is already 22 pages long, it would be hard to read all of the posts and then reply to relevant post(s). Maybe if you could post their specific questions or what you're specifically discussing with them, we may direct you to the right sources or/and post the arguments to help you.

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


what issue do u need the links for? what specific part of atheism u need help on bro abu ilyas? :D

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


I'll cover a few weaknesses on atheism;

one of the biggest flaws to argue against atheists is as to who caused the big bang? or how the universe formed in the correct way to allow life to survive within it.

their arguments in these cases will be extremely weak, because they have no firm answers and have to return to the point of 'chance' and nature performing these actions. And ibn Al qayyim mentions that these things which people call nature actually are Allah's attributes [i.e. the Originator, the giver of life to the dead, the fashioner etc.]



their arguments have alot of gaps within them which makes people be put off their dawah too, i.e. theists do really and sincerely want to know who caused the beginning of all matter, but atheists will tell us to accept that 'they dont know' - so why should we prefer their belief over ours? why should we believe that something which does not have an intellect controls the different forces to cause chaos to form things which could have only been formed by control and one with an intellect?


they might argue that there are eternal crunches and big bangs to allow this universe to form, and the planet earth allows life to survive within it due to this 'chance' - but we say that you have no proof for this claim that there have been eternal crunches and big bangs, so why should we believe this claim without any evidence on your part? [something u claim to depend upon].

we should also say, why should we accept that only planet earth allows lifes survival? when scientists can't even work out whether life exists on the closest planet nearest to the earth - mars. So how can they claim that its only by chance that life survives on this planet, and not on any others?

We're way more open minded to accept these possibilities - especially of a powerful God, something which atheists want to strongly deny.


One other thing which i related to this is the issue of Prophecies;

http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...rophecies.html


and how Allah's Messenger, Muhammad (sal Allah alaihi wasalam) knew all this info about the future without the aid of anyone else. also explaining how these can't be forged [the sciences of hadith etc.] and how Muhammad (sal Allah alaihi wasalam) said that anyone who lies about him intentionally [good or bad lies] is condemned to the hellfire - so no muslim would want to lie about him, even in a good way etc.


again, whenever in debate - you cannot convince everyone totally - so i prefer to justify what i believe, showing my arguments to support what i believe.

[Abu Ilyas]

^Very informative, Jazakallahu Khayr akhee.

W/s

[Qatada]

asalaam alaikum


also, atheists say life came into existence by chance [from non life]. but science disproves this claim. they say that the first cell came to life by chance and then it evolved to other organisms which were more complicated. but this claim of theirs is so exaggerated because they themselves know that the cell is such an amazing piece of design work.


Read about it here, abiogenesis [life coming from non life] can't have taken place;
ABIOGENESIS[life coming from non life] – its ‘Impossible’.

[Aayah]

brother Abu Ilyas, I recommend you to read the thread started by brother Qatada in LI about foundations in debate....you will have a general ideas about many different things. I found it very useful and I got a lot from it

Muslims vs Atheists [our foundations in debate] - LI Islamic Forum