tajweed question

Abdul-Fattah · 01-02-2010, 05:50 PM

Selam aleykum
I have a tajweed related question. In the last verse of Surah al 'asr; in many recitations you hear that they repeat "wa tawasaw" like this:

'Illā Al-Ladhīna 'Āmanū Wa Amilū Aş-Şāliĥāti Wa Tawāşaw, (short pause) Wa Tawāşaw Bil-Ĥaqqi Wa Tawāşaw Biş-Şabri

Now I know that there are different rules in the different schools (like hafz and warsh and so on) but I was just curious: why is this repeated? If I understand the translation correctly the word has no meaning in the first part of the verse but only in the second. So its not like for example the case in:

Dhālika Al-Kitābu Lā Rayba " Fīhi " Hudáan Lilmuttaqīn

where the middle word has a meaning for both parts of the sentence.
So why is the word repeated then in some recitations?

Al Habeshi · 01-02-2010, 06:25 PM

Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem,

as-Salaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah

If you possible could you mention the riwayaa and qiraah (hafs an asim or etc)

Or could you provide the audio/youtube examples?

Br.al-habeshi

Abdul-Fattah · 01-02-2010, 06:49 PM

Selam aleykum,
I don't know which qiraat that is, I don't think it is hafz (because I haven't seen anything like that) but then again my lessons were very basic.
Here's an example:
http://174.36.196.135/~server4/ajm/64/103.mp3

Idris · 01-05-2010, 03:47 PM

As-Salam 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Akhi Abdul-Fattah, i have take a look in my tajweed books (warsh & Hafs) and could not find any break at this place. Ahmad al-`Ajmi doesn´t care about Ahkaamu t-Tajweed at all in this tape and thatswhy it is not one of the Qiraa´at from the famous ten wich are known.

wa Allahu a`lam.

Al Habeshi · 01-06-2010, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idris

Akhi Abdul-Fattah, i have take a look in my tajweed books (warsh & Hafs) and could not find any break at this place. Ahmad al-`Ajmi doesn´t care about Ahkaamu t-Tajweed at all in this tape and thatswhy it is not one of the Qiraa´at from the famous ten wich are known.

wa Allahu a`lam.

Bismillahir rahmanir Raheem,
as-salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Can you explain the part where you say he doesn't care at all for ahkaamu tajweed in this type and thats why its not from the ten Qira'ah.

Br.al-Habeshi

Idris · 01-06-2010, 02:27 PM

BarakAllahu feek brother Al Habeshi, due to my poor English I think have written something that can be misunderstood. With “he doesn´t care about Ahkaamu t-Tajweed at all…” I mean this regarding the break and not the whole recitation of this Surah. Sorry for that...

Abdul-Fattah · 01-07-2010, 11:54 AM

Selam aleykum
Idris, do you know that this is not part of any qirat, or just not part of hafz and warsh? If the latter, then since there are other qiraats besides those two, shouldn't we give the recitor the benefit of the doubt?

Idris · 01-07-2010, 08:54 PM

Wa'alaykum As-Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdul-Fattah

Idris, do you know that this is not part of any qirat, or just not part of hafz and warsh? If the latter, then since there are other qiraats besides those two, shouldn't we give the recitor the benefit of the doubt?

01-02-2010, 05:50 PM	#1
Abdul-Fattah Co-Administrator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belgium, Gent Posts: 659 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 17 Thanked 173 Times in 123 Posts	tajweed question Selam aleykum I have a tajweed related question. In the last verse of Surah al 'asr; in many recitations you hear that they repeat "wa tawasaw" like this: 'Illā Al-Ladhīna 'Āmanū Wa Amilū Aş-Şāliĥāti Wa Tawāşaw, (short pause) Wa Tawāşaw Bil-Ĥaqqi Wa Tawāşaw Biş-Şabri Now I know that there are different rules in the different schools (like hafz and warsh and so on) but I was just curious: why is this repeated? If I understand the translation correctly the word has no meaning in the first part of the verse but only in the second. So its not like for example the case in: Dhālika Al-Kitābu Lā Rayba " Fīhi " Hudáan Lilmuttaqīn where the middle word has a meaning for both parts of the sentence. So why is the word repeated then in some recitations? __________________ Check out my website Last edited by Abdul-Fattah; 01-02-2010 at 06:51 PM.

01-02-2010, 06:25 PM	#2
Al Habeshi Full Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 123 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts	Re: tajweed question Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem, as-Salaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullah If you possible could you mention the riwayaa and qiraah (hafs an asim or etc) Or could you provide the audio/youtube examples? Br.al-habeshi __________________ If I don't question your article, then slap me for not doing my job. Kamaa Qala Bukhariy Bab-ul-Ilm Qabla al Qawli wal Amal so aman billahi wa Rasulih, Let Knowledge Protect You From Becoming a Diviated Shia or Sufi, So You Know Not To Pray To Awliya But To Allah Alone! You Know He Istawa Over The Throne! And You Know Not To Build A Masjid On A Dead Man's Home! And You Follow Qur'an And Sunnah - Not Qur'an Alone!

01-02-2010, 06:49 PM	#3
Abdul-Fattah Co-Administrator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belgium, Gent Posts: 659 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 17 Thanked 173 Times in 123 Posts	Re: tajweed question Selam aleykum, I don't know which qiraat that is, I don't think it is hafz (because I haven't seen anything like that) but then again my lessons were very basic. Here's an example: http://174.36.196.135/~server4/ajm/64/103.mp3 __________________ Check out my website

01-05-2010, 03:47 PM	#4
Idris Mutaabi`Kitaab wa Sunnah Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 19 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 43 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: tajweed question Akhi Abdul-Fattah, i have take a look in my tajweed books (warsh & Hafs) and could not find any break at this place. Ahmad al-`Ajmi doesn´t care about Ahkaamu t-Tajweed at all in this tape and thatswhy it is not one of the Qiraa´at from the famous ten wich are known. wa Allahu a`lam.

01-06-2010, 02:27 PM	#6
Idris Mutaabi`Kitaab wa Sunnah Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 19 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 43 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: tajweed question BarakAllahu feek brother Al Habeshi, due to my poor English I think have written something that can be misunderstood. With “he doesn´t care about Ahkaamu t-Tajweed at all…” I mean this regarding the break and not the whole recitation of this Surah. Sorry for that...

01-07-2010, 11:54 AM	#7
Abdul-Fattah Co-Administrator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belgium, Gent Posts: 659 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 17 Thanked 173 Times in 123 Posts	Re: tajweed question Selam aleykum Idris, do you know that this is not part of any qirat, or just not part of hafz and warsh? If the latter, then since there are other qiraats besides those two, shouldn't we give the recitor the benefit of the doubt? __________________ Check out my website

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