ماهي السلفية ؟

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Old 12-05-2009, 08:32 AM   #1
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ما هي السلفية
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السلفيَّة هي اتباع منهج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وأصحابه ؛
لأنهم سلفنا تقدموا علينا ، فاتِّباعهم هو السلفيَّة ،

وأما اتِّخاذ السلفيَّة كمنهج خاص ينفرد به الإنسان ويضلل من خالفه من المسلمين ولو كانوا على حقٍّ : فلا شكَّ أن هذا خلاف السلفيَّة

فالسلف كلهم يدْعون إلى الإسلام والالتئام حول سنَّة الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم ، ولا يضلِّلون مَن خالفهم عن تأويل ، اللهم إلا في العقائد ، فإنهم يرون من خالفهم فيها فهو ضال .

لكن بعض من انتهج السلفيَّة في عصرنا هذا صار يضلِّل كل من خالفه ولو كان الحق معه ،

واتَّخذها بعضهم منهجاً حزبيّاً كمنهج الأحزاب الأخرى التي تنتسب إلى الإسلام ، وهذا هو الذي يُنكَر ولا يُمكن إقراره ،

ويقال : انظروا إلى مذهب السلف الصالح ماذا كانوا يفعلون في طريقتهم وفي سعة صدورهم في الخلاف الذي يسوغ فيه الاجتهاد ، حتى إنهم كانوا يختلفون في مسائل كبيرة ، في مسائل عقديَّة ، وفي مسائل علميَّة ، فتجد بعضَهم – مثلاً – يُنكر أن الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم رأى ربَّه ، وبعضهم يقول بذلك ، وبعضهم يقول : إن الذي يُوزن يوم القيامة هي الأعمال ، وبعضهم يرى أن صحائف الأعمال هي التي تُوزن ، وتراهم – أيضاً – في مسائل الفقه يختلفون ، في النكاح ، في الفرائض ، في العِدَد ، في البيوع ، في غيرها ، ومع ذلك لا يُضلِّل بعضهم بعضاً .

فالسلفيَّة بمعنى أن تكون حزباً خاصّاً له مميزاته ويُضلِّل أفراده سواهم : فهؤلاء ليسوا من السلفيَّة في شيء .

وأما السلفيَّة التي هي اتباع منهج السلف عقيدةً ، وقولاً ، وعملاً ، واختلافاً ، واتفاقاً ، وتراحماً ، وتوادّاً ، كما قال النَّبي صلى الله عليه وسلم " مثل المؤمنين في توادهم وتراحمهم وتعاطفهم كمثَل الجسد الواحد ، إذا اشتكى منه عضوٌ تداعى له سائر الجسد بالحمَّى والسهر " ، فهذه هي السلفيَّة الحقَّة . "



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..شكراً
.. الله يعطيكِ العافيه والصحه والسعاادة داائمااا ..يااااارب
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jazakiAllah khair sis for sharing

what I disagree with this Salafi/wahabi issue is when people get fanatic against the other and turn this to be a 7izbi war to prove who is the right and who is the wrong and forget the real meaning of following the pious salaf. May Allah keep us all in the right path of Quran and Sunnah
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.. الله يعطيكِ العافيه والصحه والسعاادة داائمااا ..يااااارب
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jazakiAllah khair sis for sharing

what I disagree with this Salafi/wahabi issue is when people get fanatic against the other and turn this to be a 7izbi war to prove who is the right and who is the wrong and forget the real meaning of following the pious salaf. May Allah keep us all in the right path of Quran and Sunnah
Wa Iyaki my dear and precious sister Ameen

the same is here wa Allahi, we suppose to be one body not separated and hating each other may Allah preserve you my sweet heart and accept your Du`aa Ameeen
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well, there is an aspect of the salafi manhaj that even Ibn Uthaymeen explained in many other places which is walaa wal baraa, and depending on the scenario, baraa, is mandatory upon a person.

of course the level of baraai s not like that of the times of old, there is still a level of alligience and enmity that is integral for one's own deen.

one of the most important aspects of the manbhaj is what Uthaymeen highlighted which is that what is the most important aspect of our way is that one must BE salafi and not necessarily call himself salafi. I mean, its fine and dandy to say your salafi, but what measures most, and what is seen, is your BEING salafi both baatin and dhaahir and not just dhaahir

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yes , you are right my respected brother and to make you understand what I am believing in and I am sure in shaa Allah that you are believing in the same thing ...read this, it is a part of Fatwa giving by Shaikh Muhammad Saalih Al Munajjid may Allah preserve him and you Ameen...

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Each person is obliged to follow the guidance of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. This is the way of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah and the followers of the righteous predecessors (al-salaf al-saalih). Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘This is my way; I invite unto Allaah with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me with sure knowledge. And Glorified and Exalted be Allaah (above all that they associate as partners with Him). And I am not of the mushrikeen (polytheists… those who worship others along with Allaah or set up rivals or partners to Allaah).” [Yoosuf 12:108]

“And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the oath he has chosen, and burn him in Hell – what an evil destination!” [al-Nisa’ 4:115]

Whoever follows the way of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) belongs to the salaf al-saalih, even if the people call him something else; by the same token, whoever goes against it and deviates from the Sunnah is an innovator, even if he claims to be a Salafi.

If a person calls himself a Salafi to express his gratitude for having been guided to this way, or to clearly distinguish himself from innovation, then this is OK and is allowed in Islam. But if he says it only for the purpose of praising himself, then this is not allowed, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… therefore justify not yourselves…” [al-Najm 53:32 – Yusuf ‘Ali’s translation].

Similarly, it is not allowed if it is said in a spirit of tribalism or sectarianism, because such attitudes are forbidden, as is clear from the following story: Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: “A man from the Muhaajireen shoved a man from the Ansaar from behind, so each man’s people gathered around him, saying ‘O Muhaajireen (come and help)!’ or ‘O Ansaar (come and help)!’ News of this reached the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said, ‘Stop this, for it is repulsive.’ Then he said, ‘What is this call of the people of jaahiliyyah? What is this call of the people of jaahiliyyah?’” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 14105; the hadeeth is also to be found in al-Saheehayn).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called it the call of the people of jaahiliyyah and described it as repulsive, even though the words “Ansaari” and “Muhaajiri” are Islamy respected mic words, the first referring to those who supported Allaah and His Messenger, and the second referring to those who left the land of kufr and migrated to Allaah and His Messenger. Why were they described in this manner? Because in this instance, the words were not used in a permissible fashion; the usage was a sectarian and political one that could have led to fighting between the two groups. The same applies to the word “Salafi”.
in shaa Allah you will understand now what I am upon ,may Allah reward you with Al Ferdaws with out being reckoning Ameen
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what is the most important aspect of our way is that one must BE salafi and not necessarily call himself salafi. I mean, its fine and dandy to say your salafi, but what measures most, and what is seen, is your BEING salafi both baatin and dhaahir and not just dhaahir

Very good point brother, jazakAllah khair!
There are many people who are just boasting around with such titles and have nothing to do with the true way of al salaf as-Saleh. Unfortunetly I have seen many. May Allah save us
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the main problem is that salafiyyah is misunderstood by those who call themselves salafis and those who generally oppose the way of the salaf. The people who call themselves salafis have taken the narrow understanding of salafiyyah and go around spreading this falsehood, confusing other people, speaking without knowledge and authority and it is hurting the da'wah salafiyyah. How many times we hear questions about following a math-hab and issues of al-wala al-bara from new Muslims or those who started to practice Islam again? How many times we see debates on fiqhi issues among laypeople? How many times we hear about shunning fullan people etc.? The list goes on and this is all because of shortcomings of these neo-salafi brothers and sisters.

The people of knowledge and sunnah say that if a person focuses too much on aqeedah and having correct belief while he doesn't or hardly talks about actions (of the limbs) then this is a form of irjaa. On other hand, it is a sign of takfirsm if a person cares too much about others and the actions of the rulers while he ignores his own faraadh (فراض). Imaan is an action (action of the heart, action of the tongue and action of limbs), as Imam Bukhari rahimahullah describes it, and it is not enough just to belief and have correct aqeedah while put aside the actions. So, this is the trap of shaytan which some of our brothers have fallen into. Most of the laypeople among Muslims are already upon correct aqeedah, they may need little bit more guidance, but they require more naseeha and ilm about actions of the limbs.

Sorry to go little bit off tangle and I don't want to confuse anyone. May Allah guide us all and keep us on haqq and let us die in that state, ameen.

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Can one of you sisters translate the following beautiful athaar of Imam Ahlus Sunnah Ahmad ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah), jazak Allah khayran?

قَالَ إِمَامُ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَنْبَلٍ رَحِمَهُ اللهِ:
أُصُولُ ٱلسُّنَّةِ عِنْدَنَا ٱلتَّمَسُّكُ بِمَا كَانَ عَلَيْهِ أَصْحَابُ رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَٱلْإِقْتِدَآءُ بِهِمْ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْبِدَعِ، وَكُلُّ بِدْعَةٍ فَهِيَ ضَلَالَةٌ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْخُصُومَاتِ، وَٱلْجُلُوسِ مَعَ أَصْحَابِ ٱلْأَهْوَآءِ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْمِرَآءِ وَٱلْجِدَالِ وَٱلْخُصُومَاتِ فِي ٱلدِّينِ
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Exactly

what you demonstrated salman is that the most important(well one of the most important) aspects of being salafi is being balanced

that is why the ulema say that ahlusunnah(in this case salafis) are the
ost balanced among the groups just as the whole of muslims are the balanced nation among others

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Wa Alikum Assalaam Wa Rahmatu Allahi Wa Barakatuh

jazakum Allahu khairan my respected brother Salman , you are right may Allah reward you with the best in this Dunya and Akhirah Ameen

here you are:

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:قَالَ إِمَامُ أَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَنْبَلٍ رَحِمَهُ اللهِ

أُصُولُ ٱلسُّنَّةِ عِنْدَنَا ٱلتَّمَسُّكُ بِمَا كَانَ عَلَيْهِ أَصْحَابُ رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ صَلَّىٰ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَٱلْإِقْتِدَآءُ بِهِمْ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْبِدَعِ، وَكُلُّ
بِدْعَةٍ فَهِيَ ضَلَالَةٌ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْخُصُومَاتِ، وَٱلْجُلُوسِ مَعَ أَصْحَابِ ٱلْأَهْوَآءِ، وَتَرْكُ ٱلْمِرَآءِ وَٱلْجِدَالِ وَٱلْخُصُومَاتِ فِي ٱلدِّينِ

The Imaam of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, Ahmad Bin Hanbal (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

the basic principles of the Sunnah which we have are: to stick to what the companions of Allah`s messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) were on ,and follow their example, and leave the innovations ,and every innovation is a misguidance ,and leave the quarreling and sitting with those who follow their whims, and leave the doubting ,arguing and quarreling in the deen...
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