Is saying Ya Ali, Ya mohammed shirk??

Sensationnz · 02-16-2010, 11:28 PM

I know its not good to ask them. but I have been replied by sunni's with many hadith which shows people asking from dead. and i even quoted some of the quranic verses...from ahlal bayt.. they are not for saints ..

Can br.al-boriqee or any other can explain..through authentic source (sunnah and quran).

Please quote quran by not taking it out of context.

wsallam

salman · 02-17-2010, 12:28 AM

As-Salam 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Bismillah

Worshiping anyone beside Allah is shirk. Dua'a is an act of worship; hence, asking anyone for help beside Allah is shirk. Do these people not read the Qur'an and ponder upon it? The Qur'an is full of tawheed al-uluhiyyah: singling out Allah in worship. And this has been the core of the call of all the Prophets (peace be upon them):

Verily, those whom you call upon besides Allah are slaves like you. So call upon them and let them answer you if you are truthful. Have they feet wherewith they walk? Or have they hands wherewith they hold? Or have they eyes wherewith they see? Or have they ears wherewith they hear? [Surah al-A'raaf 7:194-195 – interpretation of the meaning]

Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower" [Surah al-Maa'idah 5:76 – interpretation of the meaning]

The mushrikeen of Makka believed in Oneness of Allah but when it was asked to them why do you worship these idols, they replied:

We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah [Surah Az-Zumar (39): 3 – interpretation of the meaning]

And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah". Say: "Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners (with Him)! [Surah Yunus (10): 18 – interpretation of the meaning]

Is it permissible to call upon a dead wali (“saint”) or Hazrat ‘Ali
Calling "Ya Muhammad"

and Allah knows best

Sensationnz · 02-17-2010, 07:40 PM

Jazakalilah khyrun akhi al-kareeem.

It was a matter of a hadith, brought by shia, and Brother Efendi helped with the hadith, and now its clear.

wsallam

02-16-2010, 11:28 PM	#1
Sensationnz Full Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 149 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts	Is saying Ya Ali, Ya mohammed shirk?? I know its not good to ask them. but I have been replied by sunni's with many hadith which shows people asking from dead. and i even quoted some of the quranic verses...from ahlal bayt.. they are not for saints .. Can br.al-boriqee or any other can explain..through authentic source (sunnah and quran). Please quote quran by not taking it out of context. wsallam

02-17-2010, 12:28 AM	#2
salman Proud Islamist Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Islamic-Life.com Posts: 2,168 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 73 Thanked 295 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Is saying Ya Ali, Ya mohammed shirk?? Bismillah Worshiping anyone beside Allah is shirk. Dua'a is an act of worship; hence, asking anyone for help beside Allah is shirk. Do these people not read the Qur'an and ponder upon it? The Qur'an is full of tawheed al-uluhiyyah: singling out Allah in worship. And this has been the core of the call of all the Prophets (peace be upon them): Verily, those whom you call upon besides Allah are slaves like you. So call upon them and let them answer you if you are truthful. Have they feet wherewith they walk? Or have they hands wherewith they hold? Or have they eyes wherewith they see? Or have they ears wherewith they hear? [Surah al-A'raaf 7:194-195 – interpretation of the meaning] Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower" [Surah al-Maa'idah 5:76 – interpretation of the meaning] The mushrikeen of Makka believed in Oneness of Allah but when it was asked to them why do you worship these idols, they replied: We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah [Surah Az-Zumar (39): 3 – interpretation of the meaning] And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah". Say: "Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners (with Him)! [Surah Yunus (10): 18 – interpretation of the meaning] Is it permissible to call upon a dead wali (“saint”) or Hazrat ‘Ali Calling "Ya Muhammad" and Allah knows best __________________ Fi Amanillah Wa As-Salamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu The Prophet sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam said: "The Muslim is a unique Ummah among the whole of mankind: Their Land is ONE, their War is ONE, their Peace is ONE, Their Honour is ONE and their Trust is ONE." [Relayed by Imam of Ahlus Sunnah - Ahmad ibn Hanbal - rahimahullah]

02-17-2010, 07:40 PM	#3
Sensationnz Full Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 149 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 55 Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Is saying Ya Ali, Ya mohammed shirk?? Jazakalilah khyrun akhi al-kareeem. It was a matter of a hadith, brought by shia, and Brother Efendi helped with the hadith, and now its clear. wsallam

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