All about following a Madhab and taqleed

al-boriqee · 08-12-2009, 09:55 PM

i don't know what your talking about

what was the lecture about

As-Salam 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

salman · 08-12-2009, 10:04 PM

^wa'alayka as-salam

akhee, it was one of the fiqh lectures; I do not remember exactly which part; it was either Fiqh lecture # 3 part 3 or Fiqh Lecture # 5 part 3. Something like that and he answered a question regarding following a madhab issue and he brought forward some stuff from shaykh Uthaymeen (rahimahullah). I will try to look for it myself, insha'Allah

Tema · 02-19-2010, 11:53 PM

SHAYKH MUHAMMAD IBN SAALIH AL-UTHAYMEEN was asked: When encountering a difficult issue, do you advise the student of knowledge not to stick to a madhhab, or [do you advise] to turn to a particular madhhab?

The Shaykh, rahim'ullah, responded: If what is intended by sticking to a madhhab is that a person sticks to that madhhab, and turns away from everything else; whether the correct view lies in his madhhab or another madhhab - then this is not permissible, and is from the blameworthy and bigotted partisanship. But if a person ascribes to a particular madhhab in order to benefit from its principles and guidelines, but he refers it back to the Book and the Sunnah; [such that] if it becomes clear to him that the preferred view lies in another madhhab, he then adopts that view - then there is no problem with this. [Note: this is for a student of knowledge, not the common muslim].

SHAYKH SAALIH AL-FAWZAAN was asked: Is it permissible for one who sticks to a particular madhhab in matters of worship, to turn away from it and stick to another madhhab whenever he wants? Or is it binding upon a Muslim to stick to just one madhhab until he dies? And is there a difference in how the Prayer should be performed between the four madhhabs or not? And what has been related from the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam concerning how the Prayer should be prayed?

The Shaykh, hafidhahullaah, responded: The issue of sticking to a madhhab has in it some detail. If a person has the ability to know the ruling from its proof, and to deduce the ruling from its proof, then it is not permitted for him to cling to a madhhab. rather, it is upon him to take the ruling from the evidence - if he has the ability to do so. However, this is rare amongst the people, since this is a quality of the mujtahideen from the people of knowledge; those that have reached the levels of ijtihaad. As for one who is not like that, then he cannot take the rulings directly from the evidences. And this is the predominant case amongst the people, especially in these latter times. So [in such a case] there is no harm in adopting one of the four madhhabs and making taqleed of one of them. However, he should not make blind taqleed such that he takes all that is in the madhhab; whether it is correct or incorrect. Rather, it is upon him to take from the madhhab that which - in his view - does not clearly oppose the evidence. As for those views in the madhhab which clearly oppose the evidence, then it is not permissible for the Muslim to take it. Rather it is upon him to adopt what is established by the proof, even if it is in another madhhab So his leaving the madhhab for another madhhab in order to follow the evidence is something good; this is a matter which is good - rather it is obligatory; since following the evidence is an madhhab in order to follow the evidence is something good; this is a matter which is good - rather it is obligatory;since following the evidence is an obligation.

As for adopting one madhhab sometimes and another at other times, then this moving is from the angle of following ones desires and seeking concessions, and this is not permissible. Meaning, that whatever accords with ones whims and desires, from the sayings of the people of knowledge, is taken - even if it opposes the proof; and whatever opposes ones whims and desires is left - even if it has a proof. This is the following of whims and desires, and we seek refuge in Allaah [from that]. Thus, moving from one madhhab to another, due to following ones desires, or due to ease or seeking concession; then this is not permissible. As for moving from one madhhab to another due to following an evidence, or to flee from a saying that does not have a proof, or from an erroneous view - then this is a matter that is encouraged and sought from a Muslim. And Allaah knows best.

As for the issue concerning the differences between the four madhhabs in the Prayer, then the four madhhabs - and all praise is for Allaah - are in Prayer, then the four madhhabs - and all praise is for Allaah - are in agreement about most of the rulings concerning the Prayer, in general. Their differences are in some of the details of the Prayer. From [such differences] are, for example, that [one of them] may consider something to be prescribed, whilst another may not consider it to be prescribed; one may consider something to be obligatory, whilst another may consider it to be recommended; and so on. So the differences are in the details of the Prayer. But as for the rulings of the Prayer in general, then there is no difference - and all praise is for Allaah

SHAYKH MUHAMMAD IBN ABDUL-WAHHAAB said: If a person is learning fiqh from one of the four madhhabs, then he sees a hadeeth that opposes his madhhab; and so he follows it and leaves his madhhab - then this is recommended, rather it is obligatory upon him when the proof has been made clear to him. This would not be considered as opposing his Imaam that he follows, since they - Abu Haneefah, Maalik, ash-Shaafiee and Ahmad, radiallaahu anhum ajmaeen - were all agreed upon this fundamental principle.

... As for the case whereby a person does not have any evidence which opposes the view of the scholars of the madhhab, then we hope that it is permissible to act upon it (the madhhab), since their opinions are better than our own opinions; they took their proofs from the sayings of the Companions and those who came after them. However, it is not essential to declare with certainty (al-jazm) that this is the Shareeah of Allaah and His Messenger, until the proof that is not contradicted in this issue is made clear. This is the action of the Salaf of this Ummah and its scholars - both previous and recent - as well as that which they criticised: namely having bigotted partisanship for particular madhhabs (at-taassubul-madhaahib) and leaving off following the proof... However, if there becomes clear to him something which necessitates preferring one saying over another; either due to detailed proofs if he knows and understands them, or because he holds one of the two people to be more knowledgeable about this matter and having more piety about what he says, and so he leaves the saying of that one for the saying of the other one - then this is permissible, rather it is obligatory. And there is a text from Imaam Ahmad concerning this.

REFERENCES

1.As-Sahwatul-Islaamiyyah(pp.141-142).
2.Muntaqaa min Fataawaa(5/365-366).
3.Ad-Durur-Saniyyah (4/7).
4.Majmoo' Fataawaa (20/220-221).

Muslim · 10-10-2010, 02:09 PM

Assalamu alaykum,

Sorry, but as a new Muslim this is way to confusing to understand. Simple answer please. Is it allowed to follow the rulings/viewpoints, that you agree with no matter which madhab it comes from? Yes or No. I am not asking if its okay to follow rulings that may not be acceptable just because they seem better. I mean in general.
And saying its required to follow this or that ruling from so and so madhab or Immam, even if it is wrong ,doesnt sound right. Is that what I just read?

Salaams

Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy · 10-11-2010, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Assalamu alaykum,

Sorry, but as a new Muslim this is way to confusing to understand. Simple answer please. Is it allowed to follow the rulings/viewpoints, that you agree with no matter which madhab it comes from? Yes or No. I am not asking if its okay to follow rulings that may not be acceptable just because they seem better. I mean in general.
And saying its required to follow this or that ruling from so and so madhab or Immam, even if it is wrong ,doesnt sound right. Is that what I just read?

Salaams

Brother, you can follow a Madhhab but it should not be fanatically, like the modern Sufis found in Indian Sub-continent and other parts of world do.And Yes, of course you can follow any ruling/viewpoints thats based on Quran and Sunnah, whether be it from Hanafi Madhhab or Hanbali.

No ruling is to be accepted of any person (Mujtahid,Imam, Shaykh ...etc) if he goes against again the Qur'an and Sunnah, or his verdict goes against it like the ex-Shaykh al-Azhar who died recently banned Niqab(face veil) claiming it to be unIslamic and mere culutural not religious , this verdict of his is to be put in trash and not to be looked upon as he had no evidence for it and he went against the Sunnah(by the way this guy was not a Sunni or a Othodix Muslim)

Basically,Madhhab's can be followed until they do not go against Islamic texts..etc( Qur'an Sunnah).Also its not a requirement to follow Madhhab, you can simply follow the verdicts of Scholars, instead of following a Madhhab , this approach today is more closer to Sunni Islam , as most of Madhhabis today are deviants(not all) and call to strict following of an Imam, whereas following an particular Imam(strictly) was never part of Eeman nor Islam, asking Ahlul Ilm(People of Knowledge, i.e. Scholars) and following their verdicts was necessary for a Aami (Commoners like you and me).In short Taqleed Shaksi was never mandatory or even recommended.

Here are few Scholarly verdicts about Such Issues , which are explained in a simple manner, I hope they will clear some things:

On a student of knowledge sticking to a school of thought - By Ash-Shaykh al-Imam Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen
FatwaIslam.Com : On a student of knowledge sticking to a school of thought

On turning away from one's madhhab to another and sticking only to one madhhab. - Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
FatwaIslam.Com : On turning away from one's madhhab to another and sticking only to one madhhab.

Leaving the madhhab when it opposes a hadeeth - Shaykh ul-Islaam Muhammad bin `Abdul-Wahhaab
FatwaIslam.Com : Leaving the madhhab when it opposes a hadeeth

The meaning of taqleed and its rulings. - Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts
FatwaIslam.Com : The meaning of taqleed and its rulings.

Muslim · 10-11-2010, 09:48 AM

Wa'alaykum As-Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Jazakallah khayran and Thank you brother for the reply, help and Links I will inshAllah go over them and learn.

Salaams,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abd al-Muhsin al Hindy

Brother, you can follow a Madhhab but it should not be fanatically, like the modern Sufis found in Indian Sub-continent and other parts of world do.And Yes, of course you can follow any ruling/viewpoints thats based on Quran and Sunnah, whether be it from Hanafi Madhhab or Hanbali.

No ruling is to be accepted of any person (Mujtahid,Imam, Shaykh ...etc) if he goes against again the Qur'an and Sunnah, or his verdict goes against it like the ex-Shaykh al-Azhar who died recently banned Niqab(face veil) claiming it to be unIslamic and mere culutural not religious , this verdict of his is to be put in trash and not to be looked upon as he had no evidence for it and he went against the Sunnah(by the way this guy was not a Sunni or a Othodix Muslim)

Basically,Madhhab's can be followed until they do not go against Islamic texts..etc( Qur'an Sunnah).Also its not a requirement to follow Madhhab, you can simply follow the verdicts of Scholars, instead of following a Madhhab , this approach today is more closer to Sunni Islam , as most of Madhhabis today are deviants(not all) and call to strict following of an Imam, whereas following an particular Imam(strictly) was never part of Eeman nor Islam, asking Ahlul Ilm(People of Knowledge, i.e. Scholars) and following their verdicts was necessary for a Aami (Commoners like you and me).In short Taqleed Shaksi was never mandatory or even recommended.

Here are few Scholarly verdicts about Such Issues , which are explained in a simple manner, I hope they will clear some things:

On a student of knowledge sticking to a school of thought - By Ash-Shaykh al-Imam Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen
FatwaIslam.Com : On a student of knowledge sticking to a school of thought

On turning away from one's madhhab to another and sticking only to one madhhab. - Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
FatwaIslam.Com : On turning away from one's madhhab to another and sticking only to one madhhab.

Leaving the madhhab when it opposes a hadeeth - Shaykh ul-Islaam Muhammad bin `Abdul-Wahhaab
FatwaIslam.Com : Leaving the madhhab when it opposes a hadeeth

The meaning of taqleed and its rulings. - Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts
FatwaIslam.Com : The meaning of taqleed and its rulings.

Abdullah1234 · 08-13-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by salman

^wa'alayka as-salam

akhee, it was one of the fiqh lectures; I do not remember exactly which part; it was either Fiqh lecture # 3 part 3 or Fiqh Lecture # 5 part 3. Something like that and he answered a question regarding following a madhab issue and he brought forward some stuff from shaykh Uthaymeen (rahimahullah). I will try to look for it myself, insha'Allah

Brother Salman,

Assalam-o-Alaikum,

Are you looking for this lecture by Abu Tauba:

BASIC FIQH CLASS #01 | THE FIKS on blip.tv

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02-19-2010, 11:53 PM	#13
Tema Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida, US Posts: 458 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 91 Thanked 34 Times in 29 Posts	Following a madhab by Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen SHAYKH MUHAMMAD IBN SAALIH AL-UTHAYMEEN was asked: When encountering a difficult issue, do you advise the student of knowledge not to stick to a madhhab, or [do you advise] to turn to a particular madhhab? The Shaykh, rahim'ullah, responded: If what is intended by sticking to a madhhab is that a person sticks to that madhhab, and turns away from everything else; whether the correct view lies in his madhhab or another madhhab - then this is not permissible, and is from the blameworthy and bigotted partisanship. But if a person ascribes to a particular madhhab in order to benefit from its principles and guidelines, but he refers it back to the Book and the Sunnah; [such that] if it becomes clear to him that the preferred view lies in another madhhab, he then adopts that view - then there is no problem with this. [Note: this is for a student of knowledge, not the common muslim]. SHAYKH SAALIH AL-FAWZAAN was asked: Is it permissible for one who sticks to a particular madhhab in matters of worship, to turn away from it and stick to another madhhab whenever he wants? Or is it binding upon a Muslim to stick to just one madhhab until he dies? And is there a difference in how the Prayer should be performed between the four madhhabs or not? And what has been related from the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam concerning how the Prayer should be prayed? The Shaykh, hafidhahullaah, responded: The issue of sticking to a madhhab has in it some detail. If a person has the ability to know the ruling from its proof, and to deduce the ruling from its proof, then it is not permitted for him to cling to a madhhab. rather, it is upon him to take the ruling from the evidence - if he has the ability to do so. However, this is rare amongst the people, since this is a quality of the mujtahideen from the people of knowledge; those that have reached the levels of ijtihaad. As for one who is not like that, then he cannot take the rulings directly from the evidences. And this is the predominant case amongst the people, especially in these latter times. So [in such a case] there is no harm in adopting one of the four madhhabs and making taqleed of one of them. However, he should not make blind taqleed such that he takes all that is in the madhhab; whether it is correct or incorrect. Rather, it is upon him to take from the madhhab that which - in his view - does not clearly oppose the evidence. As for those views in the madhhab which clearly oppose the evidence, then it is not permissible for the Muslim to take it. Rather it is upon him to adopt what is established by the proof, even if it is in another madhhab So his leaving the madhhab for another madhhab in order to follow the evidence is something good; this is a matter which is good - rather it is obligatory; since following the evidence is an madhhab in order to follow the evidence is something good; this is a matter which is good - rather it is obligatory;since following the evidence is an obligation. As for adopting one madhhab sometimes and another at other times, then this moving is from the angle of following ones desires and seeking concessions, and this is not permissible. Meaning, that whatever accords with ones whims and desires, from the sayings of the people of knowledge, is taken - even if it opposes the proof; and whatever opposes ones whims and desires is left - even if it has a proof. This is the following of whims and desires, and we seek refuge in Allaah [from that]. Thus, moving from one madhhab to another, due to following ones desires, or due to ease or seeking concession; then this is not permissible. As for moving from one madhhab to another due to following an evidence, or to flee from a saying that does not have a proof, or from an erroneous view - then this is a matter that is encouraged and sought from a Muslim. And Allaah knows best. As for the issue concerning the differences between the four madhhabs in the Prayer, then the four madhhabs - and all praise is for Allaah - are in Prayer, then the four madhhabs - and all praise is for Allaah - are in agreement about most of the rulings concerning the Prayer, in general. Their differences are in some of the details of the Prayer. From [such differences] are, for example, that [one of them] may consider something to be prescribed, whilst another may not consider it to be prescribed; one may consider something to be obligatory, whilst another may consider it to be recommended; and so on. So the differences are in the details of the Prayer. But as for the rulings of the Prayer in general, then there is no difference - and all praise is for Allaah SHAYKH MUHAMMAD IBN ABDUL-WAHHAAB said: If a person is learning fiqh from one of the four madhhabs, then he sees a hadeeth that opposes his madhhab; and so he follows it and leaves his madhhab - then this is recommended, rather it is obligatory upon him when the proof has been made clear to him. This would not be considered as opposing his Imaam that he follows, since they - Abu Haneefah, Maalik, ash-Shaafiee and Ahmad, radiallaahu anhum ajmaeen - were all agreed upon this fundamental principle. ... As for the case whereby a person does not have any evidence which opposes the view of the scholars of the madhhab, then we hope that it is permissible to act upon it (the madhhab), since their opinions are better than our own opinions; they took their proofs from the sayings of the Companions and those who came after them. However, it is not essential to declare with certainty (al-jazm) that this is the Shareeah of Allaah and His Messenger, until the proof that is not contradicted in this issue is made clear. This is the action of the Salaf of this Ummah and its scholars - both previous and recent - as well as that which they criticised: namely having bigotted partisanship for particular madhhabs (at-taassubul-madhaahib) and leaving off following the proof... However, if there becomes clear to him something which necessitates preferring one saying over another; either due to detailed proofs if he knows and understands them, or because he holds one of the two people to be more knowledgeable about this matter and having more piety about what he says, and so he leaves the saying of that one for the saying of the other one - then this is permissible, rather it is obligatory. And there is a text from Imaam Ahmad concerning this. REFERENCES 1.As-Sahwatul-Islaamiyyah(pp.141-142). 2.Muntaqaa min Fataawaa(5/365-366). 3.Ad-Durur-Saniyyah (4/7). 4.Majmoo' Fataawaa (20/220-221). Last edited by salman; 02-20-2010 at 03:11 AM.

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Muslim Revert Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: GULF SOUTH, USA Posts: 10 Gender: Way of life: Muslim Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: All about following a Madhab and taqleed Assalamu alaykum, Sorry, but as a new Muslim this is way to confusing to understand. Simple answer please. Is it allowed to follow the rulings/viewpoints, that you agree with no matter which madhab it comes from? Yes or No. I am not asking if its okay to follow rulings that may not be acceptable just because they seem better. I mean in general. And saying its required to follow this or that ruling from so and so madhab or Immam, even if it is wrong ,doesnt sound right. Is that what I just read? Salaams

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