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[al-boriqee]

I had uploaded the word file as it has a diagram that could not be visible through forum posting and what i did above was just an excerpt

[optimist]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

I had uploaded the word file as it has a diagram that could not be visible through forum posting and what i did above was just an excerpt

You have given me lot of materials to read. Insha Allah I will read the whole article and post my comments, if any. Thanks

[optimist]

Dear brother Al Boriqee,

It is really sad that at one place Dr. Saleh as-Saleh says man is fully responsible for his actions, and Allah’s choice is in accordance with what Allah’s Knowledge and this has already been written, and that Allah, the Exalted does not force anyone any choice. And at the same time, he says all our deeds are “pre-ordained” by Allah. He says; I quote:

So, if a person commits a sin, and repents and clears himself from it, and if someone later blames him, it is quite good if he makes a reference to Al-Qadar saying: ‘this is a matter which Allah had preordained upon me before I was born’ ...But when he commits something unlawful or abandons an obligatory act (of Islam), and although he is reminded about it, he insists on doing it blaming it on the Al- Qadar, then, in this case, he dispelled the truth and adopted falsehood. In the same way, the Mushrik’s (disbelievers) insisted on their Shirk (disbelief) and worship of other than Allah, blaming Al-Qadar for that. They did not regret their worship of other than Allah, and did not intend to abandon Shirk.” [Ibn Qayyim in Shifaa’ul ‘Aleel, P. 57]

His only problem is that we should not blame kufr acts on Al Qadar. His position is that “It is justified to refer matters to Al-Qadar after a sin had been committed and the person repents from it, and does not intend to repeat it (i.e. in this case the person may say: Allah had ordained it), just as Adam had done.” His only concern is we should not blame the Qadar for the wrong doings as Mushriqeen do as stated in the the following verse he quoted;

“Those who took partners (in worship) with Allah will say ‘if Allah had willed, we would not have taken partners (in worship) with Him, and we would not have forbidden anything (against His Will). Likewise belied those who were before them, (they argued falsely with Allah’s Messengers), till they tasted of Our Wrath. Say: ‘Have you any knowledge (proof) that you can produce before us? Verily, you follow nothing but guesses and you do nothing but lie.” [Soorah al-An'aam (6): 148]

Then, the writer made a mess of the following verse 6:107 (that comes a few verses before the above verse).
“If your Rabb had so willed, they would not have worshipped other than Him.” [Soorah al-An'aam (6): 107]
I quote from his article;

Someone may argue against what is stated above, saying: “Didn’t Allah Say: “Follow what has been inspired to you (O Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa salalam)) from your Rabb, There is no illah (True God Who deserves to be worshipped) except He, and turn away from the Mushrikeen. Had Allah willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them, nor are you set over them to dispose of their affair.” [Soorah al-An'aam (6): 106-107]

So, how come you state above that Allah ? disclaimed the Mushrikeen when they blamed the Al-Qadar for their Shirk while in the above verse, Allah confirms that “Had He willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship”? it seems then that they were “right” in terms of their evidence!

The answer is that in the above verse (Soorah al-An'aam (6): 107), Allah is comforting the Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salalam) by making it clear that their Shirk is taking place by Allah’s will and by His Permission. So, the Prophet is called to accept this fact and thus take it easy on himself. However, in the verse (Soorah al-An'aam (6): 148), Allah disclaimed the excuse by Al-Qadar which the Mushrikeen brought up trying to Justify their acts of Shirk.

The answer is not what Dr. Saleh as-Saleh is saying. The above verse, “If your Rabb had so willed, they would not have worshipped other than Him”, simply means if it was the will of Allah he would have guided everyone to the right path, but Allah gave freedom of choice to man either to accept his message or to reject it. The above verse does not mean it is because Allah willed they are worshiping other Gods (which was the allegation of mushrikeen Allah strongly objected). That is why in the very same chapter, as a continuation of their false claim, Allah says;

“Say: With Allah is the perfect proof and argument, had He so willed, He would indeed have guided you all.” [Soorah al-An'aam (6): 148-149]

Think!

I have to make some more comments for some other parts, which I will post later. Insha Allah.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by optimist

I have to make some more comments for some other parts, which I will post later. Insha Allah.

There is no need to. If you could not wrap your mind to foster the correct Islamic understanding as articulated by the material provided after all discussion has taken place that amply clairfies everything, then your just simply deprived of it with the forum being in no need of anything opposite of the Islamic view.

leave the methodology proposed by philosophical thinking and adopt the methodology of istislaam (submission) as a Muslim is bound to this methodology and his shahada's complete sufficiency or deficiency is based on the level of this submission