> al-Boriqee Help responding to a kafir: Was Prophet Muhammad unjust?

[Amat Allah]

this non muslim drove me crazy , I am tired of his Qs... I don`t have enough knowledge to answer him and the lack of the good english is standing in my way + my ignorance in dealing with others in such situations ...

please help me in this by Allah`s will

here you are his Qs:

1. Did Muhammed force converts under threat of death?

2. Did Muhammed send a man he swore to protect with a message to his mortal enemy the Romans?

3. Can a prophet of "peace", really declare war on another country just because they killed one messenger(whether you think the letter was threatening or not, which it was)

4. Can a prophet of "peace" be ok with the brutal murders of people that happen to speak out against him, even though they were no threat?

may Allah love you Ameen

[Qatada]

Asalaam alaikum


Say;


Prophet Muhammad is a Messenger of justice.

1) He did not force people to accept Islam. As per the verse in the Qur'an; "There is no compulsion in religion" [Quran 2:256]

2) He sent Dihya al Kalbi, to the Roman Ceaser. These companions sacrificed everything they had in life, including their wealth, their time, and their own lives. This is proven through so much scenarios, like the battles of Badr, Uhud, Ahzab, Hunain, etc. So these companions did not fear to go to the Roman rulers because they wanted to die, as per the famous statement of Khalid ibn al Waleed "Our soldiers love death more than yours love life."

3) If you're talking about the battle of Tabuk, then the Romans were threatening or preparing to attack Medinah, to remove the threat of the Muslims totally. So the Muslims prepared to fight back, and this is when the events of Tabuk occured.

4) Insulting Prophet Muhammad is insulting the religion of God - whether you agree with that or not - the case stands that it is insulting the religion. If Muslims allow others to insult the religion without intent to discuss or learn, then what is the point of that religion which can't stand up on its own two feet?

Discussion is allowed for learning purposes, but not in an insulting way. The same way, insulting a leader of other religion, or even another ideology, is a crime according to their standards.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Amat Allah

this non muslim drove me crazy , I am tired of his Qs... I don`t have enough knowledge to answer him and the lack of the good english is standing in my way + my ignorance in dealing with others in such situations ...

please help me in this by Allah`s will

here you are his Qs:

1. Did Muhammed force converts under threat of death?

I don't understand the question. The prophet prohibited conversion through coercion. So the answer is quite obvious

2. Did Muhammed send a man he swore to protect with a message to his mortal enemy the Romans?

Romans were never his "mortal enemies". He sent messengers to various kingdoms but I don't recall anywhere where he elucidated some kind of protection.

3. Can a prophet of "peace", really declare war on another country just because they killed one messenger(whether you think the letter was threatening or not, which it was)

Muhammad is not a prophet of peace he is simply a prophet of God and it is this God that is the distributor of peace or war and no power is given to no one else with regards to the power of peace or war.

Your is similar to a question about whether prophet Moses had the right to declare war on a people because they are settled on land that he claims that God has blessed him with.
In short the earth is Gods and no one elses.

4. Can a prophet of "peace" be ok with the brutal murders of people that happen to speak out against him, even though they were no threat?

to you they were no threat, but reality bears witness otherwise and judging by the inapplicability of these questions, my assumption is that this happens quite often for you.

They were a threat to the social fabric of the medinian society. Their tribulation is like the tribulation and strife sewn by anti war and ani defense groups where they weaken and destroy the moral of their respective society. In all societies such a crime has some type of penalty to pay, some heftier than others.

Other spoke out against him bu they did not have the same fate as those who were killed under his order thus demonstrating a more political aspect of the event raher than the mere and usual gloss of islamaphobes and their total sweep of history and events.

I hope these were satisfactory answers, but realize if they are not, then recognize what I had to work with from half truth and slanted questions that can only warrent the same quality as an asnwer for them.

[salman]

honestly, don't these kinds of haters have a brain? They never cease to amaze me with their distortion of history and rape of common sense. Look at question#3, what a jahil!

Sister, may Allah preserve you, you shouldn't debate or enter into discussions with people like this kafir. They simply have no morals and common sense to discuss these subjects objectively. In addition, you can never convince them when they don't even agree with us on theology.

[al-boriqee]

just to add on what salman stated, you also have to take into consideration of the intellect of the person you are discussing.

The problem that many Muslims run into is when brothers and sisters like yourself are convince that these people are rational and reasonable. Neve never ever ever get into a moral or ethical debate with someone who inheretly cannot factor in situational ethics or standards.

Allow me to explain

100 years ago here in the land of the free, women had to covr themselves properly.

About 150 years ago in Europe, women could not own land.
So then if one cannot ask them straight up was your great grandfather a unethical immoral cretin who "infringed" on human and womens rights. We already know what the answe is going to be.

Anyways the point is that most people don't have or lack the intellectual stamina to entertain such a conversation because they cannot fly beyond their fixed world and therefore cannot envision life and ethics outside of what they know.

With that being said, my advise

stop beleiving giving them the benefit of the doubt that they have enough intellectual protege to be able to discuss about such matters because what is going to end up happening is that
1. You will not give justice to islam
2. You will frustrate yourself when in reality his brain is not functioning
3. These are not the issues or matters in how islam is propagated or clarified

you will be more successul in clearing the miscoceptions about islam by articulating it's creed in the face of their questions a million times greater and more thoroughly than merely answering their questions at face value.

[Umm Sufyaan]

people who ask question in this manner just goes to show their lack of adaab and respect are just out to prove something. they word their questions in such a way wherein which whatever you say it will look bad. they have no addab whatsoever and you can tell that they are trying to pick a fight and inflate their ego so how.
they are like venomous snakes in the grass, but they are easy to defeat you have to know how to show the other cheek to avoid them getting the better of you.

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by Umm Sufyaan

people who ask question in this manner just goes to show their lack of adaab and respect are just out to prove something. they word their questions in such a way wherein which whatever you say it will look bad. they have no addab whatsoever and you can tell that they are trying to pick a fight and inflate their ego so how.
they are like venomous snakes in the grass, but they are easy to defeat you have to know how to show the other cheek to avoid them getting the better of you.

i don;t think anyone is still registering fully yet.

Its not even about adaab. I mean yes, it is a lack of adaab on the face of it. But you are still wording your concerns as if you are shocked that such behavior can eminate from them. THEY ARE KAAFIRS, what else can one expect. Not only are they kaafirs, but what really puts the icing on the cake is the fact that they do not use what God gave them, a brain. so what can one expect from a mindless kaafir. at least with kaafirs who actually use their brain in this polemic (which amounts to about 1 out of 275 thousand), then one can actually cover some ground. But for kaafirs who you can already detect that they shut it off, then why waste your time.

asalamu alaikum

[Anwaar]

Amat Alllah some non-muslims really do test your patience. Some are not trying to learn Islam but attack Islam.... Stay away from these kinda people.

[Amat Allah]

Assalamu Alikum Wa Rahmatu Allahi Wa Barakatuh

Jazakum Allahu khairan for helping and answering may Allah love you all and reward you with the best in this Dunya and Akhirah Ameen

Akhwani wa Akhawati may Allah preserve you Ameen

when such people start insulting Islam and asking such Qs I don`t know how I feel I just want to teach them Islam the right one , I just want them to believe to live in happiness and feel what real muslims feel ,peace satisfaction safe comfort and so connected to Allah...

I don`t believe their claims and lies about the religion and the prophet Muhammad salla Allahu Alyhi wa sallam and many of them are so affected by the wrong concepts and the lies of those who hate Islam and when I wrote this asking your help I was crying angry coz I am not able to answer those Questions becoz of my ignorance and stupidity, I really want to make all non muslims understand but how while I am not able to explain for them good and falling in mistakes over and over and over and confusing them...

I feel shame from not having a good knowledge about my deen , I feel like I have to and it is my duty to teach them to correct them to show them the way..I don`t know.. but I can`t just let them go like this with such thoughts it hurts me in my chest...

with all my respect please forgive me for saying such things but I am so stupid to be like you to answer to explain and I think I don`t have a brain neither to think good and deal with others coz I feel that I made that person asking those Qs coz I feel that I distorted the image of Islam more with my stupidity...Astagfero Allah

may Allah forgive me Ameen

I think I will stop maken Da`awah coz I am not competent to do this but a disaster destroys the image of Islam...

a servant of Allah but failed serving him right...what a shame what a loser...

may Allah love you all Ameeeeeeeen for caring , you are all so amazing and I am so honored happy and thankful to Allah for having such dear and precious people around me as real brothers and sisters...you are my real brothers and sisters and wa Allahi having no one to return to after Allah but you for being the only religous person in the house so your community is my home and the place which I take as a shelter after Allah ,people who can understand me in shaa Allah ...

forgive me...

[salman]

ukhti, may Allah preserve you, don't be so harsh with yourself. We are not knowledgeable either. All you have to do is increase your knowledge and patience is virtue; start learning from primary texts to understand the basics. Remember that basics are the key to learn advanced knowledge. There is no harm in not knowing something; only Allah Ta'ala is perfect and knows about everything. We advise you to not to enter into discussions with these kinds of kuffaar because they argue for sake of arguing and they are the types of kuffaar who will always hate us and reject Islam regardless of what we do for them.

Insha'Allah, sort out your priorities, we first learn and then give da'wah and if come across their misconceptions and shubhaat then we try to find answer for those shubhaat for our own knowledge. Once we know we are able to discuss and defend the deen then we enter into discussions with them. I know how you feel and it is hard to control yourself sometime but patience is the key in early stages of da'wah.

Remember that guidance is in the hand of Allah and it is not our job to become angry or stress ourselves if they don't listen to message of Islam and embrace it. It is not our job to make sure every nut job out there is answered and their misconceptions about Islam are clarified. Remember that there are some kuffaar who will always hate us and never accept Islam; Allah Azza wa Jal has already informed us about these kinds of people.

May Allah make it easier for you, ameen