> Help Refuting Christians objection against Islamic Concept of Triune God

[Sensationnz]

can any 1 explain this plz

Islam teaches that Allah is one divine being and is not a triune being. However, even though the Koran teaches this fact clearly in some verses, there appears to be grounds for the view that God of the Koran tends to have a sort of "plural" or "triune" nature.

The idea that God is not a trinity is clearly taught in the Koran. "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God." (Qur'an 5:73) There are several other verses in the Koran that reject the concept of God being any sort of three in one


or having modes or parts, such as, "Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4) and "do not say 'Three'. Desist, it will be better for you. God is only One God" (Surat al-Nisa, 171-2.)

Anti-trinitarian expressions within the Koran were a reaction to what Muhammed felt was a sort of polytheism that had corrupted the true religion. However, from the following verse we can see that Muhammed perhaps had a misunderstanding when it came to the God of the Christian religion. The Koran reads, "And behold! God will say: 'O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116.) It appears from this verse that Muhammed had been exposed to a "corrupted" version of the Christian idea of the trinity that made Mary a person within the Godhead, with the Father and the Son, but excluding the Holy Spirit - like a family of three exalted humanlike beings. This corrupted version is obviously tritheistic and polytheistic, and the writer of the Koran reacted to this polytheism by declaring the idea of three gods as blasphemy.


asallamalikum

[al-boriqee]

the early and medieval christians did take Mary as part of the Godhead. It could be that the verse was in reply to a certain portion of those christians who took her as part of the god head instead of the holy ghost. Remember, in that time, even the staged acceptence of trinitarianism was not deeply rooted in europe because there were many unitarians, arians that opposed the athnasian creed (of trinitarianism). It could be adressed to a certain sect among them.

[salamfromrom]

Salam

In eastern european orthodox-branch of Christianity, people do pray to images and pictures of the Virgin Mary and many other ''saints''.

There are a lot of variations and sects within christianity.

[amar_labedi]

Assalamalikum wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu

4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
This is according to Bible
Deuteronomy 6:4 KIng James version

Jazakallah
amar

[TheBoxer]

I noticed a few things from several posts that I could not help but comment on.

The idea that God is not a trinity is clearly taught in the Koran. "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God." (Qur'an 5:73) ... 'O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116.)

Quran 5:73 discusses a type of trinity of multiple gods with Allah simply being one of them. This is not the Trinity described by Christian doctrine.
　
Quran 5:116 discusses a type of trinity that was perhaps followed by an obscure, heretical sect of Christians known as Collyridians who rendered divine worship to Mary.

the early and medieval christians did take Mary as part of the Godhead. It could be that the verse was in reply to a certain portion of those christians who took her as part of the god head instead of the holy ghost. Remember, in that time, even the staged acceptence of trinitarianism was not deeply rooted in europe because there were many unitarians, arians that opposed the athnasian creed (of trinitarianism). It could be adressed to a certain sect among them.

The early and medieval Christians did NOT take Mary as part of the Godhead. Only a very small, HERETICAL sect might have done so.

In the 4th century, Arianism was denounced by the early Christian church leaders as heresy. Arianism basically states that the Logos is a created being and not of the substance of God the Father Himself. It means that Jesus is not eternal but rather that he had a beginning.

In eastern european orthodox-branch of Christianity, people do pray to images and pictures of the Virgin Mary and many other ''saints''.

Despite these rituals, they do not consider Mary to be one with God or part of the Godhead.

[Bassam Zawadi]

Does The Qur'an Misrepresent Christian and Jewish Beliefs?

[al-boriqee]

Originally Posted by TheBoxer

The early and medieval Christians did NOT take Mary as part of the Godhead. Only a very small, HERETICAL sect might have done so.

hence, what i was saying

In the 4th century, Arianism was denounced by the early Christian church leaders as heresy. Arianism basically states that the Logos is a created being and not of the substance of God the Father Himself. It means that Jesus is not eternal but rather that he had a beginning.

I already know that the heretic church clergy pagans declared the orthodox christians as heretics. Tha factual event further solidified the commission of Muhammad to raise the word of those who believed among them uppermost and the words of those who disbelieved (among the pagan athnasians) to be lowered, hence the whole mission of Jesus being supplanted by his successor whom he alreay foretold, Muhammad to fulfill and seal the deal of the completion of the risalah (the totality of prophetic message) to last till the last day.

Your highlighting of the arian creed seems like the a people who had reason.

[TheBoxer]

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

hence, what i was saying

No, that is not what you said. You said "the early and medieval Christians..." For one thing, there is very little evidence whatsoever for Mary-worshiping cults, that's how obscure they were if they existed at all.

I already know that the heretic church clergy pagans declared the orthodox christians as heretics. Tha factual event further solidified the commission of Muhammad to raise the word of those who believed among them uppermost and the words of those who disbelieved (among the pagan athnasians) to be lowered, hence the whole mission of Jesus being supplanted by his successor whom he alreay foretold, Muhammad to fulfill and seal the deal of the completion of the risalah (the totality of prophetic message) to last till the last day.

Your highlighting of the arian creed seems like the a people who had reason.

Actually, approximately 300 bishops attended the First Nicene Council, and they came to the consensus together that Arianism was heresy.

It should say something that the pagan Constantine who converted to Christianity was actually a follower of Arianism.

~TheBoxer